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[akhilis2cool]

Hey sachin,

things arent really that bad. this may well end up being a tonic for the indian team.

sourav ko ek last dena chahiye, i feel.

[Sachin]

Hey sachin,
things arent really that bad. this may well end up being a tonic for the indian team.
sourav ko ek last dena chahiye, i feel.

Sourav got his chance dint he!!!! Not coz of his ability but because of Dalmiya.... Now I can see wats gonna happen in the next few months.... India will win one of the two one day series with sl,sa ( 4-3(win),2-3(loss)) ganguly scorin a cpla fifties and a hundred to make his say....

the lost series will be forgotten sayn tat it was one of the closest fought series in recent times.... outcome the newpapers wit headlines

"ALL IS WELL THAT ENDS WELL" Sourav is gonna lead India in WC-07 along wit Greg some signs of buildin a TEAM for WC....

[akhilis2cool]

Sourav and Ggreg staying together till then is a long shot, for that to happen sourav will have to change...he shd accept his deficiencies and work with greg to get them right, but then thats not simple and looks highly unlikely.

[CtrlAltDel]

if ganguly is as unsuitable as chappel claims, he himself wud fall by the wayside much before the next world cup. no player can sustain himself for a long time based on just political support.



maybe its all a face saving measure so that ganguly can soon step down to applause and comments on what a nice guy he was....

[HH]

Sourav ***** and Ggreg^^^^^ ...

# ***** Sloppy "Fox" Past Peak ... Deserves The SACK ... ^^^^^ Bluntly Frank ... Must Be Heard & Respected ... For Worthwhile Results ... Deserves The PAT!



# MORE DRASTIC ACTION

- Call Tom Moody ... Youthfulness Helps

- Sack All 30 Plus ... They Look DEAD ...

- Rebuild The Team With Someone Dashing & Inspiring With Performance Like Sehwag Or Pathan ...



# But, This Is India ... NO REVOLUTION EVER ... Only Talk Of "Evolution" ... Ever Happy With "Zero" Contribution ... From Mathematics Through Methods To "Messing" ...

[Super Peeved HP]

Sourav ***** and Ggreg^^^^^ ...

# ***** Sloppy "Fox" Past Peak ... Deserves The SACK ... ^^^^^ Bluntly Frank ... Must Be Heard & Respected ... For Worthwhile Results ... Deserves The PAT!

If Saurav is past his peak, Sachin and Dravid too should have been out of the team by now. Remember Sachin's slump in form that lasted more than 2 seasons? Or maybe Rahul's loss of form when his house in Bangalore was pelted with stones by the very people who were happily burning Saurav's effigy in Rahul's favour?

Let's have a second look at the facts. What has happened to Saurav is a slump in form. In between there were the issues of the 6 match ban (its not very easy to take things when you are singled out - and singling out is what has been happening with the Indians and Pakis on the over rate issue) and the severe media criticism of Saurav. If you look at his record over the past couple of years, you see a remarkable series in Australia; a Pakistan tour that was one up on the Aussie one and a tight home series against the Pakis. Add one more year to that and you have India's most brilliant WC campaign post-83. And that came on the heels of two disasters of series against WI & NZ. Now, he's coming back from the slump. Don't the fans owe him another chance to prove himself?

As far as Greg Chappell's case is concerned, people who know the cricket of the 60's, 70's and 80's will know very well what kind of a person Greg Chappell is, whatever his professional achievements may be. He has a history of stirring things up when not required. Has anyone heard about Lillee's Aluminium bat and Greg's innumerable instances of gamesmanship. Before the Chappell brothers entered the scene, Aussies were known to be the fairest of all test playing teams. The Chappels made sledging an integral part of the Aussie game. Ian Chappell made his brother Trevor bowl underarm as the rules said nothing about it. The Chappells have always relied on intimidation.

Saurav has played under many coaches and this is the first time when someone has levelled such charges on him. And not all coaches he has served under have been all hunky dory with him.

# MORE DRASTIC ACTION
- Call Tom Moody ... Youthfulness Helps
- Sack All 30 Plus ... They Look DEAD ...
- Rebuild The Team With Someone Dashing & Inspiring With Performance Like Sehwag Or Pathan ...

Easier said than done. If sacking all experience from the team was an answer, we wouldn't have had a 30 plus player playing for any team. But if you look around, you'll see that each successful team has a blend of youth and experience. And now its too late to sack Saurav, Sachin, Dravid, Kumble, Laxman etc. from the team.

# But, This Is India ... NO REVOLUTION EVER ... Only Talk Of "Evolution" ... Ever Happy With "Zero" Contribution ... From Mathematics Through Methods To "Messing" ...

I've mentioned some of Team India's good performances over the past couple of years in the first section of this post. If you think this is "zero", aren't you being too harsh on the team? Not every team can be like the current Aussie team. The last time a team dominated like them was the WI team in the 70's and early 80's. And there have been barely a couple of teams more that can claim this kind of domination. The Don's Aussies and the South Africans just before their ban.



Grow up "Indian Cricket Fans"

[HH]

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Grow up "Indian Cricket Fans" *****

***** Thank You Sir! For Your Discussion ... The Indian Fans Patiently Await ... The Right Team With The Right Performance At The Right Time ... No More "Snatching DEFEAT From The Jaws Of Victory" ...

[SACHIN TENDULKAR"GOD OF INDIA"]

Sourav ***** and Ggreg^^^^^ ...

# ***** Sloppy "Fox" Past Peak ... Deserves The SACK ... ^^^^^ Bluntly Frank ... Must Be Heard & Respected ... For Worthwhile Results ... Deserves The PAT!

If Saurav is past his peak, Sachin and Dravid too should have been out of the team by now. Remember Sachin's slump in form that lasted more than 2 seasons? Or maybe Rahul's loss of form when his house in Bangalore was pelted with stones by the very people who were happily burning Saurav's effigy in Rahul's favour?

Grow up "Indian Cricket Fans"

Sachin's slump in FORM really amazes me HP!!!! U dont call that a slump in cricketing terms its a slump in Sachin's own standards and you are talkin abt sacking SACHIN !!!! I dont knw wat was goin thru u mind .... mind you me too a DADA fan but u really think he deserves a place I think he has had his chances.... Sack him let him play ranji for sometime and pick himself up.... Since the 2003-WC Sachin has scored at an average of 50 (per inning) includin the Australia tour, Pakistan,SA..........

I excluded the two test matches against bangladesh ( whom i consider are a shame for test cricket) in which he scores arnd 285 runs and was out only once ( he had a 248* in one inning)....

I donno wat he can do if ppl are askin for his head whn he AVERAGES 50 in TEST CRICKET.....

Dravid is averaging a STAGGERING 77.5 since the 2003 WC ( excluding tests against Bangla(160) and ZIM(98,77)).

GANGULY in this same period averages 35.5 (excluding scores against bangla(71,88) and ZIM(16,101), and I dont want to talk abt his ODI perfomances.... tat wld make a shoddy reading....

HOPE U KNW WHY WE ARE ASKING HIM TO LEAVE THE TEAM....

HE HAS HAD HIS CHANCES AS DID MARK TAYLOR AND STEVE WAUGH IN THE PAST

GROW UP STAUNCH DADA SUPPORTERS

[Sandeep]

Super Peeved HP, you got to analyze things before passing judgements based on your own assumptions. Come one dude Sachin is not in form by his own stadards, there is not even a single younster who can replace Sachin and score at an average of 50 in tests (This inspite of Sachin not in form) . Talk about when he is in form and he is just God. Nothing less.

[akhilis2cool]

Back to the Sourav-Greg contraversy...



I believe its gonna b really tough for them to work together...and somewhere down the line I see one of them leaving (most probably Sourav).

[HH]

Back to the Sourav-Greg *****contraversy...

I believe its gonna b really tough for them to work together*****....

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[Sandeep]

How is Chappell continuing. Is he such a shameless guy to coach India inspite of everyone terming him as a liar? If BCCI beleived Sourav was right they should have then and there sacked Chappell! What the heck is going on? India as a country traditionally lacked good leaders and it is again glaringly seen. When it mattered BCCI wasn't able to take a sane decision. If anything bad happens to Indian cricket in future you got to strip these guys in the center of a city. Idiots.

[HH]

... When it mattered BCCI wasn't able***** to take a sane decision. If anything bad *****happens to Indian cricket ... Idiots.

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[Sandeep]

We played against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka. It is difficult to win there. SrLanka thrashed Australia in 2001 knock out tournament (That was when AUS was ruling cricket like a giant colossus). You shouldn't read much into that.

[HH]

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[talky]

my opinion abt indian cricketers is

1. they are talented

2. they are fit only for acting in advertisements

3. they can only boast abt themselves....



but they are extremely talented...beware other teams

[HH]

... indian cricketers ... talented*****
... extremely talented*****...

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[talky]

... indian cricketers ... talented*****
... extremely talented*****...

***** Individual Brilliance No Help ... TEAM EFFORT REQUIRED ... For Consistent Success

u r right hh sar

[Sandeep]

At World Cup 2003, ***** We Were DO Number ... Since, Then We Have Be Sliding / Falling ... We Are Ranked "7" ... Shortly, We May Be DUS NUMBERI! See Our Plight In Hockey ... Once World Champions ... Now, In Every Tournament We Try Our Best To Hit The BOTTOM

In hockey we were not able to cope up with transition from grass to synthetic surfaces. That is an alltogather different story! Nothing of that sort happening in cricket!

[HH]

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[Peeved HP]

Sachin's slump in FORM really amazes me HP!!!! U dont call that a slump in cricketing terms its a slump in Sachin's own standards and you are talkin abt sacking SACHIN !!!! I dont knw wat was goin thru u mind .... mind you me too a DADA fan but u really think he deserves a place I think he has had his chances.... Sack him let him play ranji for sometime and pick himself up....

I was talking about his slump in form when he was captaining India. Dunno if you were following his career or not then but that was a slump in FORM and worse than what Ganguly is facing now. The final outcome was that he "stood down" as captain, but retained his place in the team.

HOPE U KNW WHY WE ARE ASKING HIM TO LEAVE THE TEAM....

Yes. I do understand why everyone is baying for his blood. Not new with Indian fans. Have seen it happening to everyone from the peerless Kapil Paaji to Ravi Shastri and from the magnificient Sanjay Manjrekar to the even more magnificient Dravid. But what is happening now to Ganguly is unprecedented. I'm sure more than half of those opposing his place in the team are doing so due to a resentment against Jaggu Dalmiya. And that's what I'm against.

But I feel you're not getting my point. If you look at it from a unbiased P-o-V, you'll see that every sportsperson has ups and downs in his career. And even during this slump in batting form, he has been a tough captain and India has seen good results (If you retort to this with India losing regularly in the finals, that has been happening since more than a decade now). This fact is completely overlooked by Saurav's detractors. And about his possible replacements as captain - Dravid doesn't really intimidate the opposition the way Saurav has shown that he can. And Sehwag is too raw. He needs to be around for atleast another 3 seasons before he can get a shy at the captaincy.

Its not always necessary that the best player in the team should be made captain. Had that been true, Hayden or McGrath should have been captaining Australia and not Ponting.

HE HAS HAD HIS CHANCES AS DID MARK TAYLOR AND STEVE WAUGH IN THE PAST
GROW UP STAUNCH DADA SUPPORTERS

Do not compare Steve Waugh's exit from the Aussie team with this issue. Steve was one of those few players who were asked to step down when he was still dishing out vintage performances.



As for Mark Taylor, do you remember the two seasons prior to Mark's classic 334? He was barely managing double figures. We often tend to mistake Aussie selectors as being very tough and chucking people out without giving them second chances. The fact is that the Aussie selectors are also very patient with players and don't look just at figures while selecting teams. They have a very strong players' union too which helps to a great extent.



P.S. : Next time you reply to me, don't forget to tap your capslock once.

[Sachin]

Sachin's slump in FORM really amazes me HP!!!! U dont call that a slump in cricketing terms its a slump in Sachin's own standards and you are talkin abt sacking SACHIN !!!! I dont knw wat was goin thru u mind .... mind you me too a DADA fan but u really think he deserves a place I think he has had his chances.... Sack him let him play ranji for sometime and pick himself up....

I was talking about his slump in form when he was captaining India. Dunno if you were following his career or not then but that was a slump in FORM and worse than what Ganguly is facing now. The final outcome was that he "stood down" as captain, but retained his place in the team.

Well HP did Sachin have a slump of form when he was captaining India???? Did he really have it???? support dada as much as you can but for god sake dont compare him with Sachin, drives me crazy....

Tests(14 Away Tests)

M Runs HS AVG 100's 50's

25 2054 217 51.35 7 7

ODI's He averaged 38.



If you call that slump of form tats ridiculous.... The test stats are right a few scrolls up do enlighten urself at u r own pace. Looks like u r an avid follower of cricket....



Gangluy in his Last 48 ODI's Averages under 30.... if you say he deserves a place so be it.... Mark Taylor was sacked frm the ODI team long bfore he got tat 334*( he avged under 30 in his last 30 matches). My say is get Ganguly out of the ODI team he is doin no gud .... He can still be the test captain for anther cpla series....



PS - take it easy mate

[akhilis2cool]

I was talking about his slump in form when he was captaining India. Dunno if you were following his career or not then but that was a slump in FORM and worse than what Ganguly is facing now. The final outcome was that he "stood down" as captain, but retained his place in the team.

I wish to differ here HP sar, Sachin did go thru bad patches...but they never lasted as long as ganguly's has...i dont remember seeing sachin out of form for more than a series...

As for Mark Taylor, do you remember the two seasons prior to Mark's classic 334? He was barely managing double figures. We often tend to mistake Aussie selectors as being very tough and chucking people out without giving them second chances. The fact is that the Aussie selectors are also very patient with players and don't look just at figures while selecting teams. They have a very strong players' union too which helps to a great extent.

The aussies hardly lost under mark taylor's captaincy...except when they came to India in 98...but they did win the last test then

[crypt]

Been following these discussions colsely...



AFA Ganguly is concerned, i think he should not block even a player of Kaif's caliber in test matches...I think - currently- Ganguly cannot get into the indian test team. I think there is a plan by the board atleast to split the captiancy for test and one day matches (cricinfo reports)...The last innings of substance played by Ganguly was 144 against australia 2 years ago.



Even i was an avid fan of ganguly until last year. Bt it is his attitude which is bad and refuses to change. The manner in which he saw grass on the nagpur and decided to fake an injury was a shame really. People might still support Ganguly, it is ok, but spare a thought for Rahul Dravid. his position in the team depends on the whims and fancies of the selectors and Ganguly. Imagine if gangu had a similar guy as his vice captian, that would have been much more intresting



Ganguly in ODIs...yes I would prefer to give him one last chance. Ideally i would say to him that you would be playing all the 12 one days coming up against sri lanka and SA. i think most of ganguly's success in ODIs is due to improvization. Improvisation needs confidence which is an unknown entity to him now. So i wud prefer to giv him 1 last chance to get his confidence back.



About Chappel, it is very simple. During the selection process of the coach, Chappel gave a very nice PPT presentation on a gud looking laptop. He said "Commitment to excellence" was his motto and he wud improve the overall standards of the team. Even a half astute person would have told all these but what won the job for chappel was the respect he commands, his straight forward thinking and may b a bit of politics in the BCCI as well. But, Whats happening now is there for every1 to see. His email has been reduced to a mere joke and ganguly offers a point by point rebuttal to it Wondering why that never got published



Personally I would belive chappel when he says that some players have lost faith/confidence in ganguly's leadership and all is not well within the team at the moment. Perhaps we need a sting operation to find out the "inside" story

[Sachin]

Been following these discussions colsely...

AFA Ganguly is concerned, i think he should not block even a player of Kaif's caliber in test matches...I think - currently- Ganguly cannot get into the indian test team. I think there is a plan by the board atleast to split the captiancy for test and one day matches (cricinfo reports)...The last innings of substance played by Ganguly was 144 against australia 2 years ago.

Even i was an avid fan of ganguly until last year. Bt it is his attitude which is bad and refuses to change. The manner in which he saw grass on the nagpur and decided to fake an injury was a shame really. People might still support Ganguly, it is ok, but spare a thought for Rahul Dravid. his position in the team depends on the whims and fancies of the selectors and Ganguly. Imagine if gangu had a similar guy as his vice captian, that would have been much more intresting

Ganguly in ODIs...yes I would prefer to give him one last chance. Ideally i would say to him that you would be playing all the 12 one days coming up against sri lanka and SA. i think most of ganguly's success in ODIs is due to improvization. Improvisation needs confidence which is an unknown entity to him now. So i wud prefer to giv him 1 last chance to get his confidence back.

About Chappel, it is very simple. During the selection process of the coach, Chappel gave a very nice PPT presentation on a gud looking laptop. He said "Commitment to excellence" was his motto and he wud improve the overall standards of the team. Even a half astute person would have told all these but what won the job for chappel was the respect he commands, his straight forward thinking and may b a bit of politics in the BCCI as well. But, Whats happening now is there for every1 to see. His email has been reduced to a mere joke and ganguly offers a point by point rebuttal to it Wondering why that never got published

Personally I would belive chappel when he says that some players have lost faith/confidence in ganguly's leadership and all is not well within the team at the moment. Perhaps we need a sting operation to find out the "inside" story

Hey crypt welcome bak man long time since u have posted here....

AFAR saurav-chappel my heart supports Saurav( being an Indian) but my mind says that Chappel is not a guy who wld create ripples jus for the sake of it.... He was hired coz of his stature as an individual in the cricketing world.... I have read comments of the cricketers who exp their opinion on the spat and most of them seem to be supporting Chappel.... so Saurav seems to be the bad boy here....