). Here is the discussion, what do you think? Are we really in control of our own lives or are we being controlled by someone/something else? Here's the discussion, it's a long one though:Jai (8/6/2005 10:45:21 PM): hey in that chocolate post of mine..
Me (8/6/2005 10:45:30 PM): haan
Jai (8/6/2005 10:46:05 PM): i catually meant to say that we just need to chill out and enjoy life , one moment at a time... and not get stressed out,
Jai (8/6/2005 10:46:23 PM): for a need to aride that we demand coffee
Jai (8/6/2005 10:46:26 PM): thats about it
Me (8/6/2005 10:46:28 PM): yeh, i figured that out after i read the comments
Jai (8/6/2005 10:46:40 PM): but coming to think of it from ur comment......
Jai (8/6/2005 10:47:01 PM): yeah... in a way... mortality or the issue of us beign mortal is gettign a little stressful these days
Me (8/6/2005 10:47:10 PM): hehe
Jai (8/6/2005 10:47:18 PM): with man trying everythign to do anythign and verythign
Jai (8/6/2005 10:47:32 PM): to keep his/beauty for ever..
Me (8/6/2005 10:47:37 PM): thts why they say that life is short
Jai (8/6/2005 10:47:41 PM): or try to extend the number of years he sis living
Me (8/6/2005 10:47:55 PM): believe in fate?
Jai (8/6/2005 10:47:59 PM): seen this movie called the Island....
Me (8/6/2005 10:48:05 PM): nope
Jai (8/6/2005 10:48:12 PM): in which they clone himan beigns for future organ use
Me (8/6/2005 10:48:14 PM): ok
Jai (8/6/2005 10:48:38 PM): fate.... i am not sure... but i do believe in the fact that we do serve a purpose...
Jai (8/6/2005 10:48:43 PM): every single one of us....
Me (8/6/2005 10:49:22 PM): hmm
Jai (8/6/2005 10:49:24 PM): but the thing is whose purpose..
Jai (8/6/2005 10:49:25 PM): i am definite that it may not be uman purpose...
Jai (8/6/2005 10:49:30 PM): or that of god or some thign else
Jai (8/6/2005 10:49:36 PM): i mean comign to think of it...
Jai (8/6/2005 10:50:06 PM): i believe that we are in a illusion that we are all evolving
Jai (8/6/2005 10:50:08 PM): i mena..
Jai (8/6/2005 10:50:12 PM): life form in general.....
Jai (8/6/2005 10:50:23 PM): but where actually are we goign from here?
Me (8/6/2005 10:50:35 PM): million dollar question
Me (8/6/2005 10:50:42 PM): u can never really know where u r going
Jai (8/6/2005 10:50:45 PM): and the other thign is... what is the need for us to evolve!
Me (8/6/2005 10:50:59 PM): the moment u step out of home something may happen that changes you forever
Me (8/6/2005 10:51:12 PM): or that something may never happen but you still change
Jai (8/6/2005 10:51:48 PM): ya ... thats true... but when u step out of home... its a much simppler case... we know we have a purpose t go out.. and hence we go out... but with this... we dont even know why we have to evolve ... right!
Me (8/6/2005 10:51:55 PM): change is the only constant right? as everything around us changes, we need to change to adapt to those changes
Me (8/6/2005 10:52:31 PM): whether that change is for the better or the worse.....i dont know......i can only hope that its for the better
Jai (8/6/2005 10:52:50 PM): do u believe it?
Jai (8/6/2005 10:53:02 PM): why do we need top change to start with?
Me (8/6/2005 10:53:05 PM): again hypothetically speaking, if we were living in the perfect world we wouldnt need to change, but we are changing to acquire just that
Jai (8/6/2005 10:53:11 PM): are nt we just hppy the way we are?
Me (8/6/2005 10:53:50 PM): sometimes we are, sometimes we arent, but thats just being "human", being emotionally involved is human, it is in-built
Jai (8/6/2005 10:54:08 PM): yeah..
Me (8/6/2005 10:54:15 PM): sometimes the faults in a thing are the source of the things beauty, maybe thats what happens...
Jai (8/6/2005 10:54:22 PM): but the case i am talking about right now is life form in general..
Jai (8/6/2005 10:54:25 PM): not just human..
Jai (8/6/2005 10:54:58 PM): cos human life, in numbers hardly means anythign , cocmepared to total life i the known universe
Me (8/6/2005 10:55:10 PM): take a micro-organism, why does it need to change? to make other changes possible
Me (8/6/2005 10:55:41 PM): if it wasnt for the change of the micro-organism, u and me wudn't be having this discussion coz we wudn't exist
Jai (8/6/2005 10:56:15 PM): thats right....
Jai (8/6/2005 10:56:21 PM): thats exactly what i mean...
Jai (8/6/2005 10:56:38 PM): would nt i be any happier if i were a microorganism , than what i am right now?
Me (8/6/2005 10:57:15 PM): but you wouldnt have the thinking capacity u have now, so i doubt u wud even understand what the term happiness meant
Me (8/6/2005 10:57:21 PM): i hope that made some sense
Jai (8/6/2005 10:57:54 PM): cos the only thing that passes from us to the fuure is the DNA.. and thats the only one that is evolving with every change we create...... right...
Jai (8/6/2005 10:58:08 PM): dont u feel used by it in a general way?
Me (8/6/2005 10:58:08 PM): alrite
Jai (8/6/2005 10:58:22 PM): by this i dont eman to end its game by eliminating life from here
Jai (8/6/2005 10:58:40 PM): about happiness.... its relative...
Jai (8/6/2005 10:59:13 PM): juts like a kid in eastrn/central africa and a kid in america\
Me (8/6/2005 10:59:39 PM): DNA is only the information carrier for all this, what really constitutes evolution is stimulus
Jai (8/6/2005 11:00:14 PM): if i know what a ham burger is and i dont get it, i am not happy, but if i dont even know that ther exists soem thing like a ham burger... why would i be sad to start with?
Me (8/6/2005 11:00:16 PM): change is carried out based on the stimulus u receive, DNA by itself will not bring abt a change in the cell, it has to be awakened to do so
Jai (8/6/2005 11:01:03 PM): yeah...
Me (8/6/2005 11:01:10 PM): ignorance is bliss?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:01:14 PM): but its the only thing changing... at a given generation
Jai (8/6/2005 11:01:16 PM): i mean..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:01:37 PM): my DNA will evolve from me... but i would nt be able to use that change..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:01:40 PM): now will i?
Me (8/6/2005 11:02:03 PM): its the same as with versions in a software
Me (8/6/2005 11:02:19 PM): v 2.0 will, in all probability, be better than v 1.0 right?
Me (8/6/2005 11:02:53 PM): same way, the things you are able to perform right now may not have been possible for a Homo Erectus
Jai (8/6/2005 11:02:54 PM): na, its not teh same as softare... u install trhe improvised version of a spftware in the same syetem..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:03:01 PM): but u cant do that with us
Me (8/6/2005 11:03:08 PM): ok
Me (8/6/2005 11:03:20 PM): so software is upgraded and we spawn
Me (8/6/2005 11:03:26 PM): hmm
Me (8/6/2005 11:03:54 PM): take the Earth as the system, the old software is deleted for the new one arriving
Jai (8/6/2005 11:04:15 PM): but who is usign the software here?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:04:24 PM): do u get the point here?
Me (8/6/2005 11:04:31 PM): yeah, i see
Jai (8/6/2005 11:05:00 PM): i mean..
Me (8/6/2005 11:05:02 PM): so DNA is continously experimenting with us?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:05:07 PM): re we really benefitting from all this?
Me (8/6/2005 11:05:15 PM): rather through us
Jai (8/6/2005 11:05:15 PM): yeah..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:05:18 PM): exactly..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:05:29 PM): it is continuously experimenting with us....
Jai (8/6/2005 11:05:40 PM): it puts us in shit...
Jai (8/6/2005 11:05:46 PM): and evolves itself...
Me (8/6/2005 11:05:47 PM): but what for?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:06:09 PM): cxausing either death to the host in it
Jai (8/6/2005 11:06:16 PM): but there is no harm done to the DNA
Jai (8/6/2005 11:06:19 PM): right!~
Jai (8/6/2005 11:06:24 PM): yeah..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:06:35 PM): what, or rather who for is my question as well.
Me (8/6/2005 11:07:02 PM): so doesnt the DNA decay for someone who has no successor?
Me (8/6/2005 11:07:27 PM): the DNA also replicates, to form new life
Jai (8/6/2005 11:07:46 PM): but it iss evolving itself right... and only they do not leave a successor who have a "not fit" DNA
Me (8/6/2005 11:07:56 PM): so its more mutual then parasitic
Jai (8/6/2005 11:08:00 PM): or..."the one which failed theexperiment"
Me (8/6/2005 11:08:10 PM): see the DNA evolves through experimentation with us
Me (8/6/2005 11:08:19 PM): and then we evolve as the DNA has evolved
Jai (8/6/2005 11:08:31 PM): na..
Me (8/6/2005 11:08:33 PM): we give it stimuli, it gives us responses
Jai (8/6/2005 11:08:33 PM): we dont..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:08:38 PM): at an individual level..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:08:41 PM): we dont evolve..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:08:48 PM): we just doe...
Jai (8/6/2005 11:08:54 PM): once our role is complete
Me (8/6/2005 11:09:15 PM): we die yes, but along with our decayed bodies and the tissues of those decayed corpses
Jai (8/6/2005 11:09:17 PM): and in the next generation..
Me (8/6/2005 11:09:25 PM): the DNA of those tissues dies
Me (8/6/2005 11:09:31 PM): as it is the unevolved DNA
Me (8/6/2005 11:09:45 PM): then the new "kid" has new & "evolved" DNA
Jai (8/6/2005 11:09:53 PM): the DNA makes a new form, the one it desires.... to go thru the circumstances...... at the end killing it...... to take a new form...
Jai (8/6/2005 11:10:31 PM): but what has the "new evolved" kid got to do with us?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:10:38 PM): we are just lost right...
Me (8/6/2005 11:10:49 PM): so is the DNA still in our bodies
Jai (8/6/2005 11:10:54 PM): do u see any reference of atma and DNA here?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:10:57 PM): i mean..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:11:03 PM): hey say that atma does nt have death...
Jai (8/6/2005 11:11:07 PM): and so does DNA..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:11:14 PM): and everyone has a separate atma...
Jai (8/6/2005 11:11:23 PM): and it is the same with DNA as well
Me (8/6/2005 11:12:16 PM): but boss, the atma is not something that duplicates itself and then one dies with the body and another goes into the next, is it?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:13:17 PM): well... dodnt we see a loop hole in the whole theory of atma then?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:13:18 PM): like...
Jai (8/6/2005 11:13:38 PM): because every atma is supposed to be reborn 7 or 8 times.....
Me (8/6/2005 11:13:52 PM): the atma is not reborn as it cant be killed
Me (8/6/2005 11:14:06 PM): it only assumes the form of a human being 7 or 8 times
Jai (8/6/2005 11:14:21 PM): por lets keep it as some unknown number X and after a ertain period, after so many number of births, it is supposed to go to go be a part of paramatma
Jai (8/6/2005 11:14:32 PM): ya.....
Me (8/6/2005 11:14:54 PM): ok
Jai (8/6/2005 11:15:10 PM): to start with, lets say there have been 100 living beigns on earth, all of which had atmas....
Jai (8/6/2005 11:15:27 PM): they die and the atmas change forms....
Me (8/6/2005 11:15:33 PM): ok
Jai (8/6/2005 11:15:47 PM): but the population of forms the atma takes should gradually receede right
Jai (8/6/2005 11:15:52 PM): 'with time
Me (8/6/2005 11:16:06 PM): ok
Jai (8/6/2005 11:16:07 PM): as the atma unites with the paramatma afater a certain time..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:16:14 PM): which means..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:16:23 PM): the equation here tends to zero....
Me (8/6/2005 11:16:26 PM): hang on
Jai (8/6/2005 11:16:29 PM): at some point of time
Me (8/6/2005 11:16:38 PM): what if the parmathma continously dilutes here
Me (8/6/2005 11:16:47 PM): and starts producing more atma
Me (8/6/2005 11:17:03 PM): since the amount of single atma is parmatma is unfathomable
Jai (8/6/2005 11:17:05 PM): where from?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:17:15 PM): is nt the universe supposed to be fixed..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:17:25 PM): according to all the mythologies and all religions?
Me (8/6/2005 11:17:28 PM): it could be cylic
Jai (8/6/2005 11:17:39 PM): cyclic as in?
Me (8/6/2005 11:17:47 PM): like suppose the parmatma has X number of atma
Me (8/6/2005 11:17:58 PM): and there are y number of atma on earth
Me (8/6/2005 11:18:22 PM): now if we increase the number of atma on earth by say, Z then
Me (8/6/2005 11:18:31 PM): number of atma on earth = y+z
Jai (8/6/2005 11:18:43 PM): n how do u increase it to Z?
Me (8/6/2005 11:18:45 PM): and number of atmas still in parmatma = X-z
Jai (8/6/2005 11:18:56 PM): ok
Me (8/6/2005 11:19:18 PM): ok, from the mythological point of view, trees, animals, insects all of them have an atma
Me (8/6/2005 11:19:25 PM): thats the thing with re-birth right?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:19:27 PM): yeah
Jai (8/6/2005 11:19:32 PM): bit from what u said....
Me (8/6/2005 11:19:37 PM): simple explanation = de-forestation
Jai (8/6/2005 11:19:40 PM): z is a part of X+Y
Jai (8/6/2005 11:19:42 PM): right
Jai (8/6/2005 11:19:47 PM): heheh..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:19:52 PM): deforestation ay!
Jai (8/6/2005 11:20:07 PM): re birtyh..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:20:10 PM): but opnly 7 times
Jai (8/6/2005 11:20:12 PM): right!
Me (8/6/2005 11:20:15 PM): what parmatma is trying to tell us
Jai (8/6/2005 11:20:17 PM): or is it 8?
Me (8/6/2005 11:20:35 PM): is that if u try to take up all the space u will be left like too many of you
Me (8/6/2005 11:21:03 PM): according to mythlogy again, u get to join parmatma only after u have balanced ure bad karma with ure good karma
Jai (8/6/2005 11:21:13 PM): yeah..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:21:19 PM): but accordidng to the books..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:21:29 PM): everyone balances it in his 7 lives....
Me (8/6/2005 11:21:42 PM): depends on the book u read
Jai (8/6/2005 11:21:46 PM): so i think my theory makes more sense..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:21:52 PM): abo0oout the DNA.... and atma....
Jai (8/6/2005 11:21:58 PM): if some one were to believe in it
Me (8/6/2005 11:22:16 PM): for in my family it is believed that u have to pass through over 200 plant or animal births to reach the human birth
Jai (8/6/2005 11:22:27 PM): like....DNA is passed on from one to the... newer and better...
Me (8/6/2005 11:22:41 PM): hmm
Jai (8/6/2005 11:22:43 PM): which ofcourse it uses to modify itself for its own betterment
Jai (8/6/2005 11:22:59 PM): yeah..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:23:28 PM): even then raunak.... mathematically.... u can put an equation to it right... 200 times s7... 1400 re births
Jai (8/6/2005 11:23:35 PM): whioch still is not infinite
Me (8/6/2005 11:23:51 PM): again we know not how much atma is in parmatma
Jai (8/6/2005 11:24:13 PM): which again canot be infinite
Jai (8/6/2005 11:24:16 PM): right!
Me (8/6/2005 11:24:38 PM): infinite is not defined and parmatma is something which is very difficult to define itself
Jai (8/6/2005 11:24:39 PM): because atma can neither be created nor destroyed
Jai (8/6/2005 11:24:48 PM): na..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:24:59 PM): but atma is pretty muchy well defined...
Jai (8/6/2005 11:25:09 PM): it cannot be created, even by paramatma
Jai (8/6/2005 11:25:18 PM): or destroyed by the same force
Me (8/6/2005 11:26:02 PM): maybe there is a certain balance between parmatma and the earth
Jai (8/6/2005 11:26:15 PM): maybe
Me (8/6/2005 11:26:22 PM): like there has to be so and so amt of atma on the earth and so and so amt in parmatma
Jai (8/6/2005 11:26:44 PM): yup
Jai (8/6/2005 11:26:45 PM): maybe
Me (8/6/2005 11:27:06 PM): thats what i meant by it being cyclic
Jai (8/6/2005 11:27:15 PM): but we certainly cannot question the finiteness of atma
Me (8/6/2005 11:27:52 PM): how can u term an atma? if it says that every animal, every plant and every micro-organism has one..
Me (8/6/2005 11:28:04 PM): you cant define it based on size or shape
Jai (8/6/2005 11:28:17 PM): becauae after attaining nirvana... the atma does nt have to coem down to the earth any more
Jai (8/6/2005 11:28:56 PM): ya... but there are nt uncountable number of all these beings on earth
Me (8/6/2005 11:29:19 PM): honestly, have u any notion of how many insects are in the amazon forest
Jai (8/6/2005 11:29:20 PM): i am not defining size or shaoe..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:29:23 PM): i am just defining its existance... per se
Me (8/6/2005 11:29:30 PM): or how many microbes live in your building?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:29:58 PM): things is i dodnt care about how many are there.......but all i know is that.... that number is not infinite
Jai (8/6/2005 11:30:12 PM): they certainly are countable cos they have a constanne life time
Me (8/6/2005 11:30:19 PM): it is not infinte, but very close to a very, very large number
Me (8/6/2005 11:30:32 PM): so even if the ratio between earht and parmatma is 1:1
Me (8/6/2005 11:30:54 PM): it'll take ages for all the things already on earht to achieve nirvana
Jai (8/6/2005 11:31:00 PM): even that very very large number, according to the fact that after attaining nirvana, has to coem to an end right!
Jai (8/6/2005 11:31:10 PM): so if we fit this in the equation...
Me (8/6/2005 11:31:17 PM): yea, but that end may be billions of years away
Jai (8/6/2005 11:31:23 PM): the equation should be some thing like.....
Jai (8/6/2005 11:31:32 PM): 7x- y
Jai (8/6/2005 11:31:37 PM): or some thign
Jai (8/6/2005 11:32:10 PM): there is definitely a substractive value in it and kthere will be a time when 7x will be equal to y
Me (8/6/2005 11:32:14 PM): and what if, hypothetically speaking, there is only a single atma left on the earth, and it has to do one good deed to achieve nirvana, what does it do, for there is no one to do a good deed to
Jai (8/6/2005 11:32:16 PM): and then they cancel out
Me (8/6/2005 11:32:24 PM): paradox?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:32:30 PM): i dont know
Jai (8/6/2005 11:32:37 PM): will that be the end of life on earth?
Me (8/6/2005 11:32:52 PM): nope, coz there is still a single atma
Jai (8/6/2005 11:33:00 PM): ya
Jai (8/6/2005 11:33:05 PM): a single atma..
Me (8/6/2005 11:33:09 PM): again the question arises, what does that atma eat as to sustain itself
Jai (8/6/2005 11:33:14 PM): say oit becocmes an amoeba....
Jai (8/6/2005 11:33:16 PM): alright
Jai (8/6/2005 11:33:21 PM): dies in an hour
Me (8/6/2005 11:33:24 PM): however, in the course of its eventual death, it has to be reborn
Jai (8/6/2005 11:33:28 PM): becoems a bacteria
Jai (8/6/2005 11:33:31 PM): another 10 mins
Jai (8/6/2005 11:33:34 PM): then a human
Jai (8/6/2005 11:33:41 PM): lets say 90 years
Jai (8/6/2005 11:33:43 PM): and then ...
Jai (8/6/2005 11:33:45 PM): so forth
Me (8/6/2005 11:33:52 PM): for it hasnt balanced its karma
Me (8/6/2005 11:33:56 PM): ok
Jai (8/6/2005 11:33:57 PM): say to maximum of 10,000 years
Me (8/6/2005 11:34:03 PM): alrite
Jai (8/6/2005 11:35:11 PM): and the other thign i was talking about DNA is that..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:35:17 PM): it never keeps u happy..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:35:23 PM): like u said stimulus right...
Jai (8/6/2005 11:35:28 PM): it experiments on u..
Me (8/6/2005 11:35:40 PM): its an endless cycle for it cannot unite with the paramatma for its karma isnt balanced, now when it does does, it has to be reborn, and when it has to be reborn since it was the last soul on earth it has no one to be born to so does that qualify as genesis??
Jai (8/6/2005 11:35:41 PM): say for a change in climate ... to get used to higher temperature...
Jai (8/6/2005 11:35:51 PM): it uses u to modify itself to the condition..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:35:57 PM): u have a kid tomorrow..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:36:06 PM): and then there is another change in the climate..
Me (8/6/2005 11:36:09 PM): alrite
Jai (8/6/2005 11:36:15 PM): then it uses him to change into some thign else..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:36:20 PM): and he is not hapopy eithre...
Me (8/6/2005 11:36:32 PM): ok
Jai (8/6/2005 11:36:53 PM): so why do we need to be kept in this illusion of beign in control of ourselves when our DNA is actually controlling us?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:37:02 PM): and till the last generation ...
Jai (8/6/2005 11:37:33 PM): the individual is still not happy... cos his DNA is constantly working o itself ..... making the person the bakra
Me (8/6/2005 11:37:38 PM): the DNA is controlling our bodily functions, our life processes, however the decisions we chose in life are in no way related to DNA
Me (8/6/2005 11:37:57 PM): they are of are own free will if such a thing does exist
Jai (8/6/2005 11:38:28 PM): it definitely does exist in the text books..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:38:32 PM): but i am not sur about it
Jai (8/6/2005 11:38:46 PM): but do u really believe in free will?
Me (8/6/2005 11:38:56 PM): there's no way you can help that, in the way that u cant control ure heartbeat or your involuntary actions, u cant control evolution
Jai (8/6/2005 11:38:58 PM): maybe at a larger sense i do..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:39:01 PM): like u know...
Jai (8/6/2005 11:39:22 PM): join a kinf of political group or raise my voice against some one else s opinion
Jai (8/6/2005 11:39:28 PM): or have my opinion..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:39:41 PM): but u dont control as to what temperature u live in.
Jai (8/6/2005 11:39:59 PM): if u go by free will and live at 0 degrees ...
Jai (8/6/2005 11:40:03 PM): u are certain to die
Jai (8/6/2005 11:40:09 PM): cos ur DNA does nt like it
Me (8/6/2005 11:40:22 PM): unless u go by your own will and n ure will spend money to buy a fur coat
Jai (8/6/2005 11:40:34 PM): and the worst thing is that..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:40:43 PM): as we are discussing this..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:40:53 PM): there are changes happenign in our brain..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:41:01 PM): new connections are beign mae...
Jai (8/6/2005 11:41:08 PM): old ones might be gettign stronger
Me (8/6/2005 11:41:17 PM): hmm
Me (8/6/2005 11:41:28 PM): do u think the DNA is onto us?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:41:33 PM): and here muct be some kind of change in the gene regulation in some parts of our body
Jai (8/6/2005 11:41:48 PM): and our DNA must ebe making plots as to how to _ us royally
Jai (8/6/2005 11:42:03 PM): i dont know..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:42:10 PM): maybe some one put it into us...
Me (8/6/2005 11:42:21 PM): hang on, u say the DNA is constantly changing through experimenting on us
Jai (8/6/2005 11:42:35 PM): to evolve it to a ceetain stage that it might justss get perfect hat he/she might use that
Me (8/6/2005 11:42:38 PM): but it will need some sort of nervous impulse to manage that won t it?
Jai (8/6/2005 11:42:48 PM): jut like we experiment to get the optimum conditions
Jai (8/6/2005 11:43:01 PM): na..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:43:05 PM): it does nt need any
Jai (8/6/2005 11:43:30 PM): it would still do its work..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:43:36 PM): even if u were to be brain dead
Jai (8/6/2005 11:43:45 PM): because..
Jai (8/6/2005 11:43:54 PM): bacteria do not really have any nerves
Me (8/6/2005 11:45:02 PM): no, for it to realize that it was experimenting on us, using us as guinea pigs
Me (8/6/2005 11:45:44 PM): as u said that if u were a microbe, u wud not know what happiness is and so would be happy anyway, same way its doesnt "know" what its doing but doing it anyway
Jai (8/6/2005 11:46:53 PM): na,
Jai (8/6/2005 11:47:03 PM): i just said its relative
Jai (8/6/2005 11:47:27 PM): happiness may not mean the same fr it as it is for us
Jai (8/6/2005 11:47:47 PM): even it would be very unhappy if it did nt get food
Jai (8/6/2005 11:48:11 PM): hey rock
Me (8/6/2005 11:48:24 PM): ok, drop that, but there is still the debate over how the DNA realizes that it is experimenting on us
Me (8/6/2005 11:48:27 PM): ok
Jai (8/6/2005 11:48:27 PM): i think we ll put aside today s discussion here
There are a couple of small loopholes though.
