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[HH]

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[Proud to be a hindu HP]

Labelle....This was a 2 year old thread dug up by DQ. Everyone here apart from the grave digger knows that the thread has nothing to do with casteism, religion etc. But our man has to rant about the wrongdoigs of everyone he despises and maybe he found this innocent thread to be fit for his puke.



DQ....You still haven't answered the questions I put up to you. What did you mean when you talked about those who purport that they follow an ever evolving relegion............ You snap back at ppl when they say they don't like something about islam. You say that we don't know much about Islam and hence, we shouldn't comment on it. So tell us on what grounds you talk ill of the caste system? What do you know about it?

With a cool mind read the article, and comment on it rather then presuming and comming up in defence of something thats not being discussed at all. And if you beleive that casteism is an integral part of Hinduism come up with that and we will talk about it. (sometime somewhere someone on these very boards denounced casteism as being part of hindusim altogether.)

If you've read my posts concerning the caste system, you would've known a bit about why the system is there as a part of the religion in the first place. I did denounce the caste system as it exists today but who denounced it as being a part of hinduism altogether? Not me I'm sure. And please don't post any random stuff while quoting me. If you don't have answers to my questions, you may ask me to stay proud as you did in another thread.







P.S. : Smrithi....if guys don't grow up, how do they grow? hard?

[DQ]

Can you please try to clarify what exactly do you want me to answer.



Let me help in rephrasing your queries. Hope this is what you want to arrive at.



1. With limited knowledge of Islam do not talk about it.

True. (That should be the case for every body with every beleif.)



2. Some people on the threads have claimed that they follow and ever evolving religion. My question to them is.

a. Is every adherent evolving with you.

For e.g. Mr Modi, Mr Tagodia, Mr Thackrey etc etc....

b. Does your concept of evolution involve chages in all facets?



3. How sincere is this concept of evolution. What do you actually mean by evolution?

For e.g. as years pass by I see the rise in dowry system. Does this construe to evolution.

I see the rise in corruption in society, does this mean evolution, (now dont come back with a naive reply corruption is a social stigma. Yes it may be, but every major religion in the world has checks and tabs to eliminate it. Is there such check and tab in the concept of evolution or will it be accepted in the manifold in the name of evolution?)



4.What are you evolving into ? Who is driving this evolution ?

I see the rise in fanatism. Is this where you are evolving into?

Again is this evolution being driven by likes of

Mr Modi (Who also belives in the concept of Ethnic cleansing),

Mr Togdia (Who also beleives in the concept of driving India into a 5000 BC Bharat Rajya),

Mr Advani (Who also belives in creating disharmony, by razing down historical monuments in the name of religion;reminds me of Bamiyan under Mr Mullah Omar I am sure its gonna be too difficult for most of you to gulp this parallel),

Mr Thackrey (Who beleives in brandishing communities Dogs.etc?)



5. The concept of evolution ?

Will this ever guarantee equal rights for all, be it a Dalit or Brahmin.

Or is this concept of evolution trying to drive us back into those ages where inequlity was the norrm. Slavery was a part of life.



(Please dont pre concieve that I am spewing or carrying on a rant. My geniune queries to those who prefer to fault find.)

[CtrlAltDel]

my $0.02:

a. Is every adherent evolving with you.
For e.g. Mr Modi, Mr Tagodia, Mr Thackrey etc etc....
b. Does your concept of evolution involve chages in all facets?

well the personalities u have mentioned are of the same evolutionary strain as Taliban, many arab rulers n clerics (esp saudi), St. Osama, Hitler, the fundoo evangelists of USA etc. As u can see from the analogy, evolutions affects different people differently. over a period of time, the negative n weak elements are blown away. this is how evolution works, if u remember your school biology lessons.

3. How sincere is this concept of evolution.

sincere? its not a planned move or strategy. it evolves as the society and times change. after all we cant afford to travel in bullock carts and hunt for food forever...

What do you actually mean by evolution?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=evolution

ev·o·lu·tion
n.
A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. See Synonyms at development.

The process of developing.
Gradual development.

Biology.
.
.(not relevant here)
.

A movement that is part of a set of ordered movements.

hope that helped

For e.g. as years pass by I see the rise in dowry system.

thats nothing to do with religion. for instance, no hindu scripture mentions dowry and not all hindu communities take dowry. in india for example dowry takers belong to non-hindu religions too. if a muslim takes dowry (as many do), it surely doesnt mean that it is sanctioned by the Quran. so, even if u hate to hear it, dowry is a social and a legal problem

I see the rise in corruption in society, does this mean evolution

corruption again has nothing to do with religion. its based on innate human greed. as long as money exists corruption would exist in one form or the other in any society in the world. no religion condones corruption but when confronted with human wants n greed, religion usually takes a back seat and is used to wash of sins. thats why the most corrupt are also usually very devoted followers of whatever religion they belong to.

4.What are you evolving into ?

a better human who can contribute meaningfully to modern society without any hangups about past glory.

Who is driving this evolution ?

society and time.

I see the rise in fanatism. Is this where you are evolving into?

u can ask that to many people all over the world....as i said b4, evolution wont affect everyone in the same way.

Again is this evolution being driven by likes of
Mr Modi (Who also belives in the concept of Ethnic cleansing),
Mr Togdia (Who also beleives in the concept of driving India into a 5000 BC Bharat Rajya),
Mr Advani (Who also belives in creating disharmony, by razing down historical monuments in the name of religion;reminds me of Bamiyan under Mr Mullah Omar I am sure its gonna be too difficult for most of you to gulp this parallel),
Mr Thackrey (Who beleives in brandishing communities Dogs.etc?)

:lol: i already answered that....

5. The concept of evolution ?
Will this ever guarantee equal rights for all, be it a Dalit or Brahmin.
Or is this concept of evolution trying to drive us back into those ages where inequlity was the norrm. Slavery was a part of life.

yes evolution will sweep away all negative and weakening elemenets - that is natural law. right now Indian Law has given equal rights to all castes and no one has protested. Casteism has almost disappeared in urban centers. for rest of society to change it would require time and proper secular education.

[Clapping HP]

my $0.02:

a. Is every adherent evolving with you.
For e.g. Mr Modi, Mr Tagodia, Mr Thackrey etc etc....
b. Does your concept of evolution involve chages in all facets?

well the personalities u have mentioned are of the same evolutionary strain as Taliban, many arab rulers n clerics (esp saudi), St. Osama, Hitler, the fundoo evangelists of USA etc. As u can see from the analogy, evolutions affects different people differently. over a period of time, the negative n weak elements are blown away. this is how evolution works, if u remember your school biology lessons.

3. How sincere is this concept of evolution.

sincere? its not a planned move or strategy. it evolves as the society and times change. after all we cant afford to travel in bullock carts and hunt for food forever...

What do you actually mean by evolution?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=evolution

ev·o·lu·tion
n.
A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. See Synonyms at development.

The process of developing.
Gradual development.

Biology.
.
.(not relevant here)
.

A movement that is part of a set of ordered movements.

hope that helped

For e.g. as years pass by I see the rise in dowry system.

thats nothing to do with religion. for instance, no hindu scripture mentions dowry and not all hindu communities take dowry. in india for example dowry takers belong to non-hindu religions too. if a muslim takes dowry (as many do), it surely doesnt mean that it is sanctioned by the Quran. so, even if u hate to hear it, dowry is a social and a legal problem

I see the rise in corruption in society, does this mean evolution

corruption again has nothing to do with religion. its based on innate human greed. as long as money exists corruption would exist in one form or the other in any society in the world. no religion condones corruption but when confronted with human wants n greed, religion usually takes a back seat and is used to wash of sins. thats why the most corrupt are also usually very devoted followers of whatever religion they belong to.

4.What are you evolving into ?

a better human who can contribute meaningfully to modern society without any hangups about past glory.

Who is driving this evolution ?

society and time.

I see the rise in fanatism. Is this where you are evolving into?

u can ask that to many people all over the world....as i said b4, evolution wont affect everyone in the same way.

Again is this evolution being driven by likes of
Mr Modi (Who also belives in the concept of Ethnic cleansing),
Mr Togdia (Who also beleives in the concept of driving India into a 5000 BC Bharat Rajya),
Mr Advani (Who also belives in creating disharmony, by razing down historical monuments in the name of religion;reminds me of Bamiyan under Mr Mullah Omar I am sure its gonna be too difficult for most of you to gulp this parallel),
Mr Thackrey (Who beleives in brandishing communities Dogs.etc?)

:lol: i already answered that....

5. The concept of evolution ?
Will this ever guarantee equal rights for all, be it a Dalit or Brahmin.
Or is this concept of evolution trying to drive us back into those ages where inequlity was the norrm. Slavery was a part of life.

yes evolution will sweep away all negative and weakening elemenets - that is natural law. right now Indian Law has given equal rights to all castes and no one has protested. Casteism has almost disappeared in urban centers. for rest of society to change it would require time and proper secular education.

Echo Echo!!!

[DQ]

It still does'nt answer my Query CAD. On the one hand you purport, that misintepratation of certain individuals deems that the entire community needs to be blamed, call for radical changes to that relegion and the other balanced people should do more to exhort them.



And again when fanatics and practices of what you follow are questioned you shy away by branding them in the same league. Who is this approach helping.



Then there is Indian Law, 50 years on and still

people who do not eat food because a Dalit has cooked.

Stilll a Dalit cannot drink from the well of the temple.

An entire family is ruined by tying a Dalit to a bed. and what you get oh yea its the practise of the Villagers, we are in the process of evolution.



As far as leaders are concerned, we have seen a mix of leaders in other communities, when I see leaders of the evolvers.



- A relegious leader blamed for Murder in a temple of his own manager.

- A leader who has razed a place of worship down

- A leader responsible for genocide.

AFYKI - These people are not Media Hype or dictatorships created by vested interests, its the general public the common adherent who has voted and elated them to these positions.



So my only query is, Is this where evolution is leading to. ?

It also gives me an impression that this is exactly where the evolvers want to get given the support the provide to anti social elements?

[CtrlAltDel]

It still does'nt answer my Query CAD.

i ahve answered every question of yours individually

On the one hand you purport, that misintepratation of certain individuals deems that the entire community needs to be blamed

did i ever blame an entire community? i only blame the stubborn fundamentalist orthodoxy who refuse to move on with the times and create problems in the world. if u feel all persons from a community are like that, u need to get out of your shell and take a look around.

call for radical changes to that relegion

not a change in the religion, but but a change in the mindset

and the other balanced people should do more to exhort them.

i dont understand that ^^^ stmt...

And again when fanatics and practices of what you follow are questioned you shy away by branding them in the same league.

read it again...i branded all the fundamentalists n communalists in the same league...

Then there is Indian Law, 50 years on and still
people who do not eat food because a Dalit has cooked.
Stilll a Dalit cannot drink from the well of the temple.
An entire family is ruined by tying a Dalit to a bed. and what you get oh yea its the practise of the Villagers, we are in the process of evolution.

if u remember yr lessons in school, evolution is a slow process. it will take time. along with hindu casteist elements you wil find lots of mullahs with a stone age mentality even now. such garbage can be cleared over time only.

- A relegious leader blamed for Murder in a temple of his own manager.
- A leader who has razed a place of worship down
- A leader responsible for genocide.
AFYKI - These people are not Media Hype or dictatorships created by vested interests, its the general public the common adherent who has voted and elated them to these positions.

here in hyderabd we have a minority leader who heads a party with origins in the Razakar savages. the leader in question himself is said to be involved in the carnage of that time. he is still being respected and his party being elected. what do you say about this?

just coz some bastards are elected doesnt mean their sins have been washed off...

So my only query is, Is this where evolution is leading to. ?
It also gives me an impression that this is exactly where the evolvers want to get given the support the provide to anti social elements?

yeah...the same evolvers threw out such a govt in the center last year.



i will be more frank now. if the 'Evolvers' were all of the type you mentioned, the conditions of the 20% minorities in India would be same as the condition of minorities in the Arab world - second class citizens with limited rights. how much trouble wud it be for a brutal 80% majority to do that? the majority of the 'Evolvers' had evolved to such an extent that religion of the other countrymen do not matter when the question of granting rights had come up.



you can go preach abt minority rights to the stone age rulers and mullahs of the certain effing arab countries.

[DQ]

Your response clearly shows how "Walled In" you are.



By creating walls around you of self appeasment you cannot shrug of the very many vices prevelant.



And to your Bluntness a Blunt reply.



FYKI it was not the evolvers who helped shape this nation.

This nation is built on the blood and sacrifices of a very many people, a particular evolving community cannot sit on it and bloat and always question a minority to prove its right HUH.



And for the Razakar party, if it were not the likes of the Vishwa Parishads and The So call Bharatiya parties, that particular party associated with Razakars would have famished. With the rise of the fanatic evolvers there arose a need to promote such parties. BUH.



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Scratch think reply, don't gloat in the crstalized walls created around yourself. HUH

[CtrlAltDel]

Your response clearly shows how "Walled In" you are.

By creating walls around you of self appeasment you cannot shrug of the very many vices prevelant.

thats what u always say when u dont have an answer

FYKI it was not the evolvers who helped shape this nation.
This nation is built on the blood and sacrifices of a very many people, a particular evolving community cannot sit on it and bloat and always question a minority to prove its right HUH.

everyone contributed to the independence struggle, but if the 'Evolvers' had the same mentality of stone age arabs, things wud have been different in India after independence. just look to the west of India to see how minorities wud be placed. the Evolvers had evolved to a point where such abstract things never mattered. secularism and equal rights for minorities in India proved Pakistan's "Two-Nation Theory" wrong and the mentality of the Evolvers cannot be denied in this achievement. of corz its beyond your capacity to understand this.

And for the Razakar party, if it were not the likes of the Vishwa Parishads and The So call Bharatiya parties, that particular party associated with Razakars would have famished. With the rise of the fanatic evolvers there arose a need to promote such parties.

:lol:

ol' boy...that razakar party in question has been in prominence since after Hyderabad got liberated. the VHP & Co. came into prominence only at the end of 80s.

[DQ]

Thats where your limited and selective knowledge of History Impairs you CAD.

DO a bit of a research on who killed the "Father of the Nation". and what parties follow that Ideology.



HUH.

[CtrlAltDel]

Thats where your limited and selective knowledge of History Impairs you CAD.
DO a bit of a research on who killed the "Father of the Nation". and what parties follow that Ideology.

[rave]all know who did that...the point is they were never prominent till the end of '80s. they never had and would never have support of majority of the Evolvers. that is the magic of Evolution.

talking of selective views, why do u ignore the racism and bigotry of certain arab rulers and mullahs/ayatolahs...? when ever i ask u abt them, u never answer.[/rave]

HUH.

how old are u really? all your 'HUH', 'BUH', 'DUH', 'NUH', 'ZUH' etc at the end of your posts sounds like a child making a point.

[betty]

HUH.

how old are u really? all your 'HUH', 'BUH', 'DUH', 'NUH', 'ZUH' etc at the end of your posts sounds like a child making a point.

Does HUH mean some short form?



Can those good at this provide the ellaboration..??

[HH]

...

HUH***** ...

***** Head Under Heels



Vs


HOH - Head Over Heels ...

[DQ]

Thats where your limited and selective knowledge of History Impairs you CAD.
DO a bit of a research on who killed the "Father of the Nation". and what parties follow that Ideology.

[rave]all know who did that...the point is they were never prominent till the end of '80s. they never had and would never have support of majority of the Evolvers. that is the magic of Evolution.

talking of selective views, why do u ignore the racism and bigotry of certain arab rulers and mullahs/ayatolahs...? when ever i ask u abt them, u never answer.[/rave]

HUH.

how old are u really? all your 'HUH', 'BUH', 'DUH', 'NUH', 'ZUH' etc at the end of your posts sounds like a child making a point.

Who Provokes. Who gets Provocated. HUH.



Dollar-ninety eight. Why do CAD and Betty appear always to log in together and complement each other on these threads.



Is it like the MM - Smrithi thing. BAZUH!!!

[HH]

Why Are U Coming In H H H U H ...

[betty]

Dollar-ninety eight. Why do CAD and Betty appear always to log in together and complement each other on these threads.

Is it like the MM - Smrithi thing. BAZUH!!!

Thanks at least you did not link me to you.....ufff....thanks so much for telling me that I complement CAD....

[betty]

...

HUH***** ...

***** Head Under Heels

Great interpretation HH sir...

[CtrlAltDel]

Thats where your limited and selective knowledge of History Impairs you CAD.
DO a bit of a research on who killed the "Father of the Nation". and what parties follow that Ideology.

[rave]all know who did that...the point is they were never prominent till the end of '80s. they never had and would never have support of majority of the Evolvers. that is the magic of Evolution.

talking of selective views, why do u ignore the racism and bigotry of certain arab rulers and mullahs/ayatolahs...? when ever i ask u abt them, u never answer.[/rave]

HUH.

how old are u really? all your 'HUH', 'BUH', 'DUH', 'NUH', 'ZUH' etc at the end of your posts sounds like a child making a point.

Who Provokes. Who gets Provocated. HUH.

Dollar-ninety eight. Why do CAD and Betty appear always to log in together and complement each other on these threads.

Is it like the MM - Smrithi thing. BAZUH!!!

see...he avoids answering uncomfortable questions...



and thnX DQ, for sayin that Betty n I complement each other! she's a gr8 person to know...



...and "BAZUH"...thats a new one!



ok...HUH...

[lonewolf]

...and "BAZUH"...thats a new one!

Haha You are making poor DQ create all possible combinations of *UH.



Ok, here's a riddle for those who like maths puzzles:



How many 3-letter to 5-letter words ending in UH can DQ create?



Constraint#1 : If it is a 5-letter word, the middle letter has to be a vowel (A, E, I, O, U).



Lets see who posts the correct answer first.

[CtrlAltDel]

Ok, here's a riddle for those who like maths puzzles:

How many 3-letter to 5-letter words ending in UH can DQ create?

Constraint#1 : If it is a 5-letter word, the middle letter has to be a vowel (A, E, I, O, U).

Lets see who posts the correct answer first.

*DUH*...

[lonewolf]

Ok, here's a riddle for those who like maths puzzles:

How many 3-letter to 5-letter words ending in UH can DQ create?

Constraint#1 : If it is a 5-letter word, the middle letter has to be a vowel (A, E, I, O, U).

Lets see who posts the correct answer first.

*DUH*...

Thats not a valid answer!



BTW, if you read Archie's, you'll see that Moose uses DUH very often.

[lonewolf]

A slight modification to my riddle:



:idea: How many 3-letter to 5-letter words ending in UH can DQ create? (all possible combinations)

Constraint#1 : If it is a 5-letter word, the middle letter has to be a vowel (A, E, I, O, U).

* Extra credit if you list ALL of the words!

[HH]

...

HUH***** ...

***** Head Under Heels

Great interpretation***** HH sir...

***** Thank You, Ms "betty" ... For Your Appreciation!

[HH]

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