Reservation issue is bothering me, does it bother you?

[Krisk]

Hi,



I am now employed in a decent company and working on a project which is challenging and fulfilling. We have set out to educate every Database Programmer with all the techniques required to develop complete database apps. I get paid well too .



But, i am thinking about this Reservation issue unknowingly.



My soul tells me that i should show my solidarity with all those heroic medicos that we are with them and we will stand by you. I also want to show our Govt. that it is time that this issue is seriously addressed and remove the thought that we are neglecting competence and performance in the name of social justice.



It is a fact that today in India competence has come to the lowest level. We are unable to protect our borders. Daily our fellow Indians are being killed.



We are unable to curb corruption, evidence is there for all to see.



We are congesting our cities beyond a point of repair. Bangalore is a classic example.



Primary education has taken a beating. Just visit a small village and see for yourself.



Politicians are breeding grounds of corruption. Visit politicians houses and you will see, number of cars, houses in posh localities.



Health is bad. See the number of over the counter medicines being sold.



Take the economic side. Black money is going around in huge numbers.



It is imperative that we need to increase the standard of merit in all walks of life.



Wrong quota policies will take us back and now is the time for all of us to come to-gether and make life better for all of us.



Regards

Madhav

http://www.vkinfotek.com

Books for Job Seekers

[Observer]

What does your conscience tell you when you see people being killed for not wearing helmets, killed for belonging to a particular religion , is the reaction of your conscinece limited to reservation issue..there are bigger dangers to the society than the so called reservation issue...

[CtrlAltDel]

ah! parinda! why have u become the "Observer" all of a sudden? "Observing" the situation from across the border, eh?

[Reality]

What does your conscience tell you when you see people being killed for not wearing helmets, killed for belonging to a particular religion , is the reaction of your conscinece limited to reservation issue..there are bigger dangers to the society than the so called reservation issue...

You amaze me. You either dont think or dont have the capacity to think. Reservation issue is being addressed because the Central government is endorsing them and it doesnt have a proper reason to do so. ( read the senile bastard's interview). And nobody condoned the other acts. You keep enforcing the reservations and I assure you that the people who stay back in the country are the ones who are bitter and those who are uneducated who actually take part in the acts you are more concerned about.

[CtrlAltDel]

...You either dont think or dont have the capacity to think...

thats parinda for u! no use reasoning with him. that LeT guy will call u an RSS zealot!

[Arch]

Hi,

I am now employed in a decent company and working on a project which is challenging and fulfilling. We have set out to educate every Database Programmer with all the techniques required to develop complete database apps. I get paid well too .

But, i am thinking about this Reservation issue unknowingly.

My soul tells me that i should show my solidarity with all those heroic medicos that we are with them and we will stand by you. I also want to show our Govt. that it is time that this issue is seriously addressed and remove the thought that we are neglecting competence and performance in the name of social justice.

It is a fact that today in India competence has come to the lowest level. We are unable to protect our borders. Daily our fellow Indians are being killed.

We are unable to curb corruption, evidence is there for all to see.

We are congesting our cities beyond a point of repair. Bangalore is a classic example.

Primary education has taken a beating. Just visit a small village and see for yourself.

Politicians are breeding grounds of corruption. Visit politicians houses and you will see, number of cars, houses in posh localities.

Health is bad. See the number of over the counter medicines being sold.

Take the economic side. Black money is going around in huge numbers.

It is imperative that we need to increase the standard of merit in all walks of life.

Wrong quota policies will take us back and now is the time for all of us to come to-gether and make life better for all of us.

Yes, krisk, it bothers me a lot too and had been bothering me since ages. Each time such a situation arose, the politicains gained over the students. This time, the students and the rest of the population shud agitate until the government gives in to what is right for the country on the whole.



Some novel methods shud b used which will shock the politicians to fall on track. No, no suicide attempts. Students lives are very precious and they themselves shoud treat their lives so.



Agitaions to the extent where the economy gets to a standstill? and so the media both, national and international will cover, but, do you think we have such a capacity? just thinking aloud..



the attention by the international media might lead to some sane legislation?



How about the real stories of those students on the media who excel but cannot get into a decent college, and yet excel again and work at the best of the companies?

[blackcobra]

Bush: Mr Arjun singh How are u?



Arjun sigh: Thank you Mr President iam fine.





AS: Mr President we are trying to pass a bill in our parliment stating that all Foreign institutes at UG and PG level should provide reservation's for SC's,ST's and OBC's





If this bloody government stays who knows this might happen one day

[lonewolf]

Someone forwarded me this link. I signed in there.



http://banquota.com



I don't know if this will be any effective, but some people have at least started this totally new site to voice their protests.

[betty]

The deed has been done....



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 549349.cms

[samai]

http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rur ... s%E2%80%99

Brahmins seek ‘Dalit jobs’


Lucknow, June 1: It could be fire in the belly or simply the necessity to survive, but a quiet social revolution has begun unfolding in several cities of Uttar Pradesh, where brahmins and upper caste Hindus are applying for posts of sanitary workers, known as “safai karamcharis.” The posts of sanitary workers, on an ad hoc basis, were recently advertised in several towns and cities and, for the first time, the applicants include members of the brahmin community in large numbers.

“There are vaishyas and kayasthas too who have applied for the post of safai karamchari but the number of brahmin applicants is sizeable,” says an Agra Nagar Nigam official.
Udit Sharma and Suraj Misra, both young graduates, are among the applicants for the post of safai karamchari in Agra. “We have been looking for jobs for the past two years but we have failed to get one so far. We need to earn our living, and so we thought we might as well work as safai karamcharis here,” says Udit Sharma.

Suraj Misra’s mother, Savitri Misra, has already warned her son that if he goes ahead with the job, he would be shown the door and, the family would have to face social ostracism. But Suraj is not perturbed. “I am not bothered about society and relatives because no one came forward to help us when my sister’s engagement broke off due to paucity of funds. I need a job and any job will do. Once I start earning, everything else will fall into place,” he says.

The chief development officer at Sitapur, Tahir Iqbal, admits that the upper caste candidates who have applied for the jobs of safai karamcharis appear determined to get the job. “There is a long list of Misra, Shukla, Tripathi and Tiwari candidates who have applied for these posts and they are eagerly waiting to get selected,” he said. One of the candidates who spoke on condition of anonymity said: “It is better to become a scavenger than to become a criminal. If I do not get this job, I may have to take to crime to fend for my family, which is dependent on me for a square meal.”

In Kanpur, the number of educated upper caste applicants for the safai karamchari posts is around 38 per cent of the total number of applications, “There are some applicants who are postgraduates while others in this category are graduates,” says Dr J.P. Gupta, senior health officer. In Lucknow too, there are upper caste applicants for the job that was till now considered to be reserved for Dalits. “One such applicant told this correspondent: “If I get this job, it will fetch me around Rs 2,200 every month and this will help me pay for the education of my younger brother who is a second-year medical student. Besides, my work as a safai karamchari will finish by noon and no one will hopefully know what I am doing.”

[sachai]

What are you trying to say , Brahmins cant be sweepers, you think Brahmins are doing a favour to the profession of sweeping by being sweepers.The only thing that I can malke out from the story is that Brahmins are lazy and will not do justice to the sweeping job they are so eagerly applying for.



The media that publlishes these kind of stories is only for people with a false sense of superiority... no profession is big or small, you may think being a Brahmin makes you better than the lower caste Hindus but in reality you ar ejust another human, and I must a bad one at it becuase you look at the world from a Brahmin and a non Brahmin point of view..screw your hate filled ideology.

[CtrlAltDel]

this shows that the society is finally flattening out and the caste barriers are slowly disappearing!!!!



so...no more reservations!

[VJ]

This country is never gonna change. This country will only change when the well qualified people enter into the politics and change the current system. Moreover the reservations will not allow this, instead when the people are given seats based on their competence then there might be a change. Until then forget it. I hate this reservation system.



I have no feeling in terms of caste, though I appreciate everyone and mingle with different religious people as I said in some other thread. A human being is a human being. The rest is all complimentary.



Cheers!



@VJ

[kavya]

What are you trying to say , Brahmins cant be sweepers, you think Brahmins are doing a favour to the profession of sweeping by being sweepers.The only thing that I can malke out from the story is that Brahmins are lazy and will not do justice to the sweeping job they are so eagerly applying for.

R U trying to be bcome sweepers of india ?!?



sweepers ready for jacuzzi bath

[sachai]

What are you trying to say , Brahmins cant be sweepers, you think Brahmins are doing a favour to the profession of sweeping by being sweepers.The only thing that I can malke out from the story is that Brahmins are lazy and will not do justice to the sweeping job they are so eagerly applying for.

R U trying to be bcome sweepers of india ?!?

sweepers ready for jacuzzi bath

No, but I dont see anythign worng in Brahmins beciming one. If inferior caste Hindus can be sweepers why not superior caste hindus according to Hindutva be sweepers, whats caste got to do with being sweepers or not.

[Sharjeel]

Next!

[kavya]

No MM but I dont see anythign worng in Brahmins lilke you beciming one.If inferior caste Hindus can be sweepers why not superior caste hindus according to Hindutva be sweepers,whats caste got to do with being sweepers or not.

but if u r in india shudnt u accept the caste system

[smack]

but if u r in india shudnt u accept the caste system

Accepting caste system need not mean that we have to accept reservations also.



I was having this discussion with my frnd who is an ST. And even he accepts it. His father n mother were both employed. One of his brother is in Raiways and other brother is an IAS officer. My frnd is a Exe. Engineer in Irrigation dapt. His wife is a school teacher. His sister works in bank.



Now, do u people think his kids need reservation just because they are ST???



Infact, even he agreed that his kids shoul dnot be given reservations. Medakaya meeda talakaya unna vaadu evvadu ayinaa oppukuntadu.



Correcting injustice is one thing. After 2 generations of government jobs, why should they be considered downtrodden??

[Arch]

http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rur ... est~quotas

Now, Indian Americans protest quotas

Sridhar Krishnaswami in Washington | June 05, 2006 16:25 IST

The anti-quota protests in India found an echo in the United States with over 500 Indian American professionals and students from the San Francisco Bay Area holding a demonstration against what they dubbed as the disturbing trend of using reservation for politics.

Under the banner of Bay Area Indians for Equality, Indian Americans from Berkeley, Santa Clara, Sunnyvale, Mountain View, Palo Alto, Milpitas and San Jose organised a protest on Sunday at Fair Oaks Park in Sunnyvale, California.

The rally included a signature campaign on a petition addressed to the President of India, questioning the proposed policy of reservation for Other Backward Classes in Central institutes.

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A lot of rage, a little Rang De

A street-skit performance poked fun at the politics and policies of reservation while sending a serious message on the long term impact of reservations on society.

"We are not pro or anti-reservation, but we question the facts, figures and basis of the government policy. We ask for complete analysis to show why it is the best strategy for India's development" said Manish, one of the organisers.

"The government has not measured the success of reservation policies of the past. On what basis can they extend such a policy," questioned Shambhoo, another organiser of the rally. "We need clearly defined goals, well analysed strategies and time-bound metric to measure its success. Results of reservations are long lasting and we need to study them properly before moving forward."

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The death of meritocracy

In the letter to the President of India, the signatories have expressed deep concern over the 'disturbing trend' of using reservation as a tool of politics by political parties to 'target' particular vote banks.

'It is imperative that the effectiveness of the policy be known and long term consequences understood', the petitioners have said. "We believe in affirmative action; all members of society have the right to education and all should be given an equal opportunity. We are for the upliftment of the backward and economically deprived of society.

However, we are not convinced that the government kept the well being of the country in its mind when making this decision', the letter reads.

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How far will the revolt go?

The petition further demanded that 'the government conduct a thorough study and show transparency in its actions. We urge the Government to set-up an expert panel to gather all the facts and consider all the options to determine the best method of affirmative action'.

The Bay Area Indians for Equality are a group of professionals and students who feel strongly about the reservation issues in India.

"The goal of this group is to unite together and send a strong message to the Governmentt of India that it needs to be more transparent in its policy making. Our aim is to urge the Government to justify whatever policy it comes up with, and to back it with facts and figures. We also believe that reservation being a decisive issue is often taken hostage by vested political interests," the organisation has said.

Complete coverage: The reservation issue

[kavya]

lower caste people r taking advantage of generousity of the kind upper castes i say we take away their privileges and give E V E R Y O N E equal oportunity ................... may the meritorous person get admission and useless loafers sit at home

education is not to be taken lightly

but if u r in india shudnt u accept the caste system

Accepting caste system need not mean that we have to accept reservations also.

I was having this discussion with my frnd who is an ST. And even he accepts it. His father n mother were both employed. One of his brother is in Raiways and other brother is an IAS officer. My frnd is a Exe. Engineer in Irrigation dapt. His wife is a school teacher. His sister works in bank.

Now, do u people think his kids need reservation just because they are ST???

Infact, even he agreed that his kids shoul dnot be given reservations. Medakaya meeda talakaya unna vaadu evvadu ayinaa oppukuntadu.

Correcting injustice is one thing. After 2 generations of government jobs, why should they be considered downtrodden??

[redneck]

lower caste people r taking advantage of generousity of the kind upper castes i say we take away their privileges and give E V E R Y O N E equal oportunity ................... may the meritorous person get

Got some news for you , it seems the moderation job has been given to Mayavi Morphues aka Samai aka his Sister B1TCH Kavya aka (add up all the fathers he has)...



Why are _ only his comments being not deleted and every body else who disagrees with one of these split personalities as result of multiple inheritance common in upper class Barhminical Hindutva are being deleted wake up MODS



is this what you want FHDB to be a RSS Brahminical Hindutva Forum, propagating the hatefilled ideology of Brahminical Hindutva and supression of other sections of society.

[kavya]

redneck , U just proved that U R so retarded that U cannot get admission or job without lower caste reservation ( or mozlum capitation fee in mozlum colleges )



accept the fact that U dont have it in U to make it AT ALL in a neutral world



U use ur religion and caste as a crutch to "reach to the ground level" that other regular forward caste peeple are in

[paris_dakar]

is it sad that they are brahmin or it sad that have college degrees? I am concerned about the latter...dumb or SOL?



to all who said no job is less, would you give up what you have to qualify your statements? I don't wanna be sweepin shit anywhere but my home. i haven't read anywhere exactly what is being written into law. Can anyone post it?



to judge an issue by just a few vague statements is a fallacy...don't you think?

[redneck]

redneck , U just proved that U R so retarded that U cannot get admission or job without lower caste reservation ( or mozlum capitation fee in mozlum colleges )

accept the fact that U dont have it in U to make it AT ALL in a neutral world

U use ur religion and caste as a crutch to "reach to the ground level" that other regular forward caste peeple are in

Oh really MM I just proved that , oh yeah did I , I proved that I need reservation so you Brahmins should not oppose me making use of reservations , even after not having reservation fo rso long still all you could achieve is working for a American software company if there were were reservations for our inferior caste brother sin Hinduism we would have had Americans working for our companies...



You Brahmins are so proud of cleaning american s hit. SIHT S hit.I cant believe that..

[redneck]

is it sad that they are brahmin or it sad that have college degrees?

The thrust is clearly on them being Brahmins...is it not obvious, its like Brahmins hsould not be sweepers...what the _ why cant they be if inferior caste Dalits can be sweepers why not superior caste ..whats wrong with that tit for tat!!! not its not even that its just that its one of the available jobs..



Another interesting thing aout this is the fact that the dalits are opposing this becuase the Brahmin will not do justice to the job ...he will not becuase no one can question him becuase of his superior status in Hinduism...