Half of IIM, IIT reserved for the SC/ST/BC/Minorities

[concerned]

There they go again

Government may contemplate increasing the intake of students in IITs and IIMs in order to provide reservations for students belonging to backward categories in the wake of recent Constitution amendment.

Reservation in IITs and IIMs is likely to increase from the current level of 22.5 per cent to a maximum of 49.5 per cent.

This may be necessary as the Centre has already directed state governments to increase reservations for backward categories in the state level institutions.

HRD Minister Arjun Singh has already written to states to frame laws in the light of the 104th Constitution Amendment, passed in the winter session of Parliament, which gives states the right to take steps that would ensure advancement of socially and educationally backward classes, SCs and STs in private educational institutions as well.

Ministry sources said increased reservation for backward categories in these premier central institutions is possible only with increased intakes.

While the Centre has requested the states to formulate enabling laws at the earliest providing reservation, there was no effort taken so far by the Centre to increase reservations in educational institutes coming under its umbrella.

[Sachai]

There they go again

Government may contemplate increasing the intake of students in IITs and IIMs in order to provide reservations for students belonging to backward categories in the wake of recent Constitution amendment.

Reservation in IITs and IIMs is likely to increase from the current level of 22.5 per cent to a maximum of 49.5 per cent.

This may be necessary as the Centre has already directed state governments to increase reservations for backward categories in the state level institutions.

HRD Minister Arjun Singh has already written to states to frame laws in the light of the 104th Constitution Amendment, passed in the winter session of Parliament, which gives states the right to take steps that would ensure advancement of socially and educationally backward classes, SCs and STs in private educational institutions as well.

Ministry sources said increased reservation for backward categories in these premier central institutions is possible only with increased intakes.

While the Centre has requested the states to formulate enabling laws at the earliest providing reservation, there was no effort taken so far by the Centre to increase reservations in educational institutes coming under its umbrella.

Concerned MM !Idont see minorities there , is it a flase Alarm from the Alarmist fundamentalist Hindu organization RSS!!

[concerned]

Concerned MM !Idont see minorities there , is it a flase Alarm from the Alarmist fundamentalist Hindu organization RSS!!

smart as$ed comments, eh?
the as$ that you are, what should we be expecting anyway from you !
Why are you behind MM? just cuz the time its posted at? huh !?? That is your justification ! O..K

anyways, it is not MM. if it gets into your crap filled head, fine, if not, jitna bakkna hai bakko.

http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rur ... it-listers

Quota may unseat half of IIM, IIT merit-listers

Rajeev Ranjan Roy/ New Delhi

After introducing a bill for reservation of seats for SC, ST and other backward classes in educational institutions, the Human Resource Development Ministry has initiated a move to increase the quota in the prestigious Indian Institutes of Management (IIMs) and Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs).

The move has evoked sharp reaction in academic circles, and is bound to generate a major controversy as the Ministry is planning to raise reservations from the current 22.5 per cent to as high as 49.5 per cent.

Currently, IIMs and IITs have 15 per cent seats reserved for SC students and 7.5 per cent for ST students. Ministry sources said the Government aspires to extend reservation facility to OBCs including Muslims as identified by the Mandal Commission.

"By increasing the percentage of reservation in IITs and IIMs, Human Resource Development Ministry is out to do a great disservice to meritorious students. We have seen during our days at IIT-K how the students from SC/ST having got entry through reservation used to suffer from inferiority complex. There used to be extra crash courses for them to ensure they cope with the syllabus," YPS Suri, secretary, IIT-K Alumni Foundation, said.

"Instead of compromising on merit to accommodate others at the centres of academic excellence like IIMs and IITs, the Government needs to provide effective primary education to students from deprived sections of the society. This will enable them to compete with others and carve a niche for themselves in the competitive world," Mr Suri added. non-SC/ST students in IIMs and IITs by taking the ceiling to 49.5 per cent. Reacting to the ministry's move to increase reservation levels in IIMs and IITs, a director of IIM told the Pioneer that while they are aware that such a decision is on the anvil, the Government has not yet communicated anything to this effect to them. "The move would certainly kick off a fresh bout of debate across the country. Every affirmative action should ensure merit is not being compromised. It has serious repercussions," he added.

"IITs and IIMs are brands symbolising quality education that India offers. This has been possible not because these institutes have quality faculty members, but also because of the fact that they get meritorious students at the entry level. You cannot make the sub-standard stuff excel. You pick up meritorious students from the weaker sections of the society, and prepare them for competitions," a senior researcher at IIT, Delhi, said.

Commenting on the reservation in IIMs and IITs, former Delhi University Teachers Association (DUTA) president Dr SS Rathi said: "The Government should ensure the merit is not compromised while admitting students in top class professional and technical institutions."

HRD Minister Arjun Singh has already written to States to frame laws in the light of the 104th Constitution Amendment, passed in the winter session of Parliament, which gives States the right to take steps that would ensure advancement of socially and educationally backward classes, SCs and STs in private educational institutions as well.

Ministry sources said increased reservation for backward categories in these premier central institutions is possible only with increased intakes.

50% !!!!!!!!!?????

for sheer play of politics and to pander to the minorities for the votes, such injustice to the hard working, and intelligent students.

[CtrlAltDel]

dont worry abt sachai...everytime he trips he sees an RSS foot

[fl]

don worry

they will be kicked out if they dont meet the standards :p

[KK]

Why the heck do they have to meddle with national institutes when they already have plenty of reservations @ state level. Its no good.

[blackcobra]

Pure Political move..



Idiots they dont know what they are doing. reserving half the seats and our beloved PRESIDENT says

Think what your doing for the contry and not what counrty is doing for you.



yes our country is doing a lot ( sorry our country politicins ) depriving good eduaction for merit students.Govt says its trying to wipe out communal bias but they themselves are cerating communal bias.



Just now i heard discussion on NDTV related to this and Dalit activist Mr ILLIAH says we have gone to streets in 1990 and w'll go to streets in 2006 if this reservation is not ammended . Does he think this time w'll just see happening this No way.



reservation has been there frompast 60 years and still we ar eunable to wipe out this its quite obvious that its a big failure the problem lies soem where else , just giving out reservation is not the solution we need to find out the root cause of it.



Iff they really want to uplift them give them full fee wavier in IIMS or IITS or any damn institute. start coaching institutes for SC ST or any reserved cast for entance examinations like IIT-JEE or CAT or Eamcet etc etc. I dont think its costs much for government.



I dont think for INDIA democracy suits a pure hardcore Dictorila leadership is necessary.





Or otherwise i have a good solution



let the government start institutes purely for reserved category



IIM -A ( general) IIM -A ( reserved)



IIM-B( General) IIM-B ( reserved)



IIT delhi ( General) IIT -Delhi (reserved)





I think this one is better solution.



poor students and parents who have dremt of going to IIT and IIMs .

[government downfall]

What an outrageous decision!!!! What a fine way to treat the future of India!!!!. I am also an student and next year I will also be preparing day and night for this ,but I will not get admission (I know) even after securing 85% I will not get admission because some bloody bas**** had birth right on it . They call as there future, genX and this is how they treat us, tell me is it our fault that we r born in upper-class tell me is out fault that we do ot belong to sc st or other backward classes!!!!!!!! Are we not humans?? Don’t we have a right to get education (while our constitution granted this right to all of us?)

Right to get education

Right to equality

Where the hell those rights are now???? Drained in flush!!!!! This had really shocked me now!!! Maybe it’s time that we took some responsibility and change this prevailing system!!! Maybe it’s time that we come from shadow of common man and do something to change this country!!!! It’s not about right or wrong it’s about justice, we have to give another shock to government and officials as we have given in case of Jesica lal case!!!!

It’s the moment that we should fight our rights ourselves, aren’t we are also humans!!!!

To tell u all the truth not every student of upper class gets chance to gowhat a waste of well trained and developed which could have changed the world

abroad for study. Only result which came out is drop outs, ding short jobs or in call centre.

I ask u all one question if u r with me then email me personally at

buckbeak_hippo@yahoo.com











[b]--a member of HRA[/b]

[Jai Bheem!]

What an outrageous decision!!!! What a fine way to treat the future of India!!!!. I am also an student and next year I will also be preparing day and night for this ,but I will not get admission (I know) even after securing 85% I will not get admission because some bloody bas**** had birth right on it . They call as there future, genX and this is how they treat us, tell me is it our fault that we r born in upper-class tell me is out fault that we do ot belong to sc st or other backward classes!!!!!!!! Are we not humans?? Don’t we have a right to get education (while our constitution granted this right to all of us?)
Right to get education
Right to equality
Where the hell those rights are now???? Drained in flush!!!!! This had really shocked me now!!! Maybe it’s time that we took some responsibility and change this prevailing system!!! Maybe it’s time that we come from shadow of common man and do something to change this country!!!! It’s not about right or wrong it’s about justice, we have to give another shock to government and officials as we have given in case of Jesica lal case!!!!
It’s the moment that we should fight our rights ourselves, aren’t we are also humans!!!!
To tell u all the truth not every student of upper class gets chance to gowhat a waste of well trained and developed which could have changed the world
abroad for study. Only result which came out is drop outs, ding short jobs or in call centre.
I ask u all one question if u r with me then email me personally at
buckbeak_hippo@yahoo.com





[b]--a member of HRA[/b]

Hey!! Hey!! Hey!!

What a surprise!!!

An upper class person talking about humanity??

why were u ppl mum for the last 2000 years when dalits were treated worse than animals?

Because obviously they were enjoying having the dalits as their slaves. They didnt want to free the slaves from their slavery..

Now that the dalits are getting educated and demanding their share in civilised society, these people cry out loud .And in what name?? Humanity? This is the biggest hypocracy the world will ever see.

Another reason that this people give for opposing reservation is that talent is not respected.Upper class had priviledge to education for 2000 yrs but yet they failed to produce likes of Voltaire and Socrats. Any guess why? Simply because these people never thought about the country. We can easily see that even today. Despite being the least in no (4 % of Hindus), the bramhin community has the maximum no of NRI's. Why should this country strive for the walfare of this community which is going to ditch this country any way?Even if this bas**** has got 85 %?Especially when the true aborignals of this country, the dalits are still leaving in hand-to-mouth condition?

And why is it assumed that a dalit is low in caliber?Well just one educated mahar changed the face of this country.Without him would India ever be the largest democracy in the world?The constitution was not given to him by choice. It was tried to be written by the "Pandits" of this country twice before handing this responsibility to him.And only he could do it successfully.A mahar.Got the guts anyone to challange his caliber?

Just ask this to yourself. Have you ever seen a slum anywhere in this country which has got a population of 100 and has completely upper cast population? Well I will show u 1000's of such slums consisting of dalits and 10 times more populated.Just go and take a look at the living condition of the adivasis.

And before accusing the drop outs of dalits at college level as their lack of caliber, I want to know...doesnt an upper class student ever drop out after few faliures?Those who dont, probably have lot of wealth from their fathers n fore fathers(which doesnt happen with dalits) and has come to college to do "Timepass". Chances are more that a dalit drops out because of his financial condition more than anything else.

I can reply to any of ur questions... just mail me personally at

ankur.deokar@ambedkar.org







Jai-Bheem ....... Respect the Father Of Constitution, as he is the only reason you breath freely!

[Jai Bheem!]

What an outrageous decision!!!! What a fine way to treat the future of India!!!!. I am also an student and next year I will also be preparing day and night for this ,but I will not get admission (I know) even after securing 85% I will not get admission because some bloody bas**** had birth right on it . They call as there future, genX and this is how they treat us, tell me is it our fault that we r born in upper-class tell me is out fault that we do ot belong to sc st or other backward classes!!!!!!!! Are we not humans?? Don’t we have a right to get education (while our constitution granted this right to all of us?)
Right to get education
Right to equality
Where the hell those rights are now???? Drained in flush!!!!! This had really shocked me now!!! Maybe it’s time that we took some responsibility and change this prevailing system!!! Maybe it’s time that we come from shadow of common man and do something to change this country!!!! It’s not about right or wrong it’s about justice, we have to give another shock to government and officials as we have given in case of Jesica lal case!!!!
It’s the moment that we should fight our rights ourselves, aren’t we are also humans!!!!
To tell u all the truth not every student of upper class gets chance to gowhat a waste of well trained and developed which could have changed the world
abroad for study. Only result which came out is drop outs, ding short jobs or in call centre.
I ask u all one question if u r with me then email me personally at
buckbeak_hippo@yahoo.com





[b]--a member of HRA[/b]

Hey!! Hey!! Hey!!

What a surprise!!!

An upper class person talking about humanity??

why were u ppl mum for the last 2000 years when dalits were treated worse than animals?

Because obviously they were enjoying having the dalits as their slaves. They didnt want to free the slaves from their slavery..

Now that the dalits are getting educated and demanding their share in civilised society, these people cry out loud .And in what name?? Humanity? This is the biggest hypocracy the world will ever see.

Another reason that this people give for opposing reservation is that talent is not respected.Upper class had priviledge to education for 2000 yrs but yet they failed to produce likes of Voltaire and Socrats. Any guess why? Simply because these people never thought about the country. We can easily see that even today. Despite being the least in no (4 % of Hindus), the bramhin community has the maximum no of NRI's. Why should this country strive for the walfare of this community which is going to ditch this country any way?Even if this bas**** has got 85 %?Especially when the true aborignals of this country, the dalits are still leaving in hand-to-mouth condition?

And why is it assumed that a dalit is low in caliber?Well just one educated mahar changed the face of this country.Without him would India ever be the largest democracy in the world?The constitution was not given to him by choice. It was tried to be written by the "Pandits" of this country twice before handing this responsibility to him.And only he could do it successfully.A mahar.Got the guts anyone to challange his caliber?

Just ask this to yourself. Have you ever seen a slum anywhere in this country which has got a population of 100 and has completely upper cast population? Well I will show u 1000's of such slums consisting of dalits and 10 times more populated.Just go and take a look at the living condition of the adivasis.

And before accusing the drop outs of dalits at college level as their lack of caliber, I want to know...doesnt an upper class student ever drop out after few faliures?Those who dont, probably have lot of wealth from their fathers n fore fathers(which doesnt happen with dalits) and has come to college to do "Timepass". Chances are more that a dalit drops out because of his financial condition more than anything else.

I can reply to any of ur questions... just mail me personally at

ankur.deokar@ambedkar.org







Jai-Bheem ....... Respect the Father Of Constitution, as he is the only reason you breath freely!

[Jai Bheem]

Why the heck do they have to meddle with national institutes when they already have plenty of reservations @ state level. Its no good.

who the hell are you to decide what is plenty reservation?

Dalits have a right to be at the National institues of their own country.

Reservation is a right of every dalit which they have snatched and not begged.

[concerned]

http://www.samachar.com/showurl.htm?rur ... f~students

The education Capital of India may be in for some major changes in its demographics and culture if Minister Arjun Singh's archaic tool of social engineering becomes a reality.
Students hold a peaceful protest march against proposed reservations hike in New Delhi on Tuesday - PTI


Delhi, which is host to five Central universities, an IIT and AIIMS, laps up nearly 50,000 students each year from Bihar, UP, Orissa, West Bengal and the North Eastern States. The trend might change soon given the tight squeeze on the total number of seats in these institutions. Optimists say, this may in fact turn out to be a blessing in disguise for a generation obsessed with the Dilli-syndrome.

About 60 per cent students get enrolled in one of the universities - JNU, DU, Jamia, IGNOU, IIT or AIIMS. Another 20 per cent throng Delhi for "preparations" for a host of examinations while the rest 20 per cent make their way to a large number of private institutions here offering professional courses. Together, these students not only contribute significantly to the economy of Delhi - as tenants and buyers - but also impact local cultures.

In fact, a large part of the economies of areas like Mukherjee Nagar, Outram Lines, Vijay Nagar, Ber Sarai and Munirka around Delhi University and JNU thrive on students from eastern India. Not just that, their contribution in perpetuating local cultures is also significant. Thus if Holi is celebrated, there is a distinct Bihari touch to it. Chhath is increasingly becoming a very popular festival so are food items like Pakhala of Orissa. The lingo of neighbourhoods too is altering, reflecting the eastern touch.

Experts say if reservation in educational institutions becomes a reality, a large chunk of students will instead head to destinations such as Bangalore, Pune and Hyderabad which offer good opportunities for pursuing professional courses. Additionally, these centres house a large number of corporate firms with innumerable job opportunities.

A similar trend was witnessed soon after the Mandal Commission recommendations were implemented by the then VP Singh Government in 1990. Post Mandal, there was a major shift in the attitude of students who could not look beyond the prism of civil services.

The squeeze on seats open for general category students post Mandal, also the decline in the total number of vacancies by the Central Government, led students to look for other avenues. Disillusioned, they rode on the rage of liberalisation and sought refuge in streams such as management, mass communication, fashion, biotechnology, computers and later BPO.

It is, however, a sad coincidence that the man who steered a generation affected by Mandal I out of the deep social malaise and showed them a new path by drafting the script of liberalisation, is today our Prime Minister. Does he want society to yet again shun modern values such as competition and instead harp on archaic ideas such as reservations based on caste?

[Intrest Of Nation]

I don't think anyone with national interest will do this kind of reservation only anti nationals will do this. They have already spoilt the competetiveness by doing reservation in other engineering colleges. They are only creating more bogus BC certificates and also infesting in IIT and IIM and also spoil them so that they get a bad reputation abroad. Corrupt politicians stay in power eat as much as they can spoil the country that seems to be the game plan. I have seen a lot of non competent indian workers here in USA and they get fired in a weeks time and get the reputation of bad name cause of these kinds of politicians. I guess pakistan needs Arjun singh badly send him there so that we in india can live in peace.

[I AGREE]

I don't think anyone with national interest will do this kind of reservation only anti nationals will do this. They have already spoilt the competetiveness by doing reservation in other engineering colleges. They are only creating more bogus BC certificates and also infesting in IIT and IIM and also spoil them so that they get a bad reputation abroad. Corrupt politicians stay in power eat as much as they can spoil the country that seems to be the game plan. I have seen a lot of non competent indian workers here in USA and they get fired in a weeks time and get the reputation of bad name cause of these kinds of politicians. I guess pakistan needs Arjun singh badly send him there so that we in india can live in peace.

i abs agree with u such natioalist should be exported to other countries as they will bring a strong nation to downfall by their rotten ideas .right now we need a full and clean party who really thinks about the country if not a party then an organisation like hra