REACTION WAS SO NATURAL

[SHANKARACHARYA'S ARREST]

WHEN ONE MULLAH NASRUDDIN WAS ARRESTED BY GUJRAT POLICE FEW DAYS BACK, THERE WAS PROTEST, POLICE FIRING AND ONE DEATH.



WHEN SHANKARACHARYA WAS ARRESTED IN HYDERABAD BY TAMIL NADU POICE, THERE WAS NO REACTION, NO ACTION,NO COMMENT.



WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPEN IF HUNDREDS OF SHANKARACHARYA'S FOLLOWERS CAME OUT SEIZED POICE HEAD QUARTERS OR STONED . WHY DOES IT NOT HAPPEN WHEN A HINDU LEADER IS ARRESTED AND THE MAJORITY COMMUNITY TAKES IT NATURALLY AND REACTS NATURALLY.



IS THERE ANY THING TO LEARN FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES? THIS THING SHOULD BE THOUGHT OF?

[lonewolf]

I think the public reaction to Shankaracharya's arrest has been quite mature, considering what happened when the mullah was arrested. At least it proves that there is a large majority of people who do not make decisions or pass judgements based on religion alone. I hope this trend continues.

[asli_badmash]

You are trying to compare apples and oranges...



The Mullah was involved in conspiracy and "GUJRAT POLICE" was arresting him. There was no saying what they would do with him.. maybe kill him in an encounter. They did kill one of his people. Shot him point blank. So the reaction was understandable.



Acharyaji was arrested in the case of a murder, based on proof that can be challeged in court. He is not in grave danger. He is going to get bail and the case is going to go on hence. I think he is going to be vindicated.



The law does state " Innocent till proven guilty".



Also, this incident proves.. none is above the law.

[lonewolf]

"GUJRAT POLICE" was arresting him.

You have a point here given Gujarat's prior record. But barring him, check out other similar cases. Many times, riots break out whenever any similar leader is arrested, even if its known that he has ISI links.

[enigma]

India has survived despite the slaughter of millions of people on ethno-religious grounds. India runs on multiculturalism it is a special kind of relationship adopted by the state towards different cultural communities that fall within its sovereignty. Instead of making this a religious or a politically based war, let the truth be uncovered



The man who formed the bridge between the Hindu and Muslim sects in the Ayodhya issue finds himself amidst a controversy and he could be involved in a sleazy affair like murder.



Now the big question is whether this is politically driven in view of the Bihar and Jharkhand elections does the Congress party want to establish credentials as an 'anti-Hindu and anti-forward caste' party, which would help it in the elections.



Along with the criticism about amassing wealth, the Mutt and Jeyandra Saraswati himself had become politically powerful. But the manner in which he was arrested could have been a bit more proper



It is time we understood that religion and secular state are different entities and should remain separate. Godmen should remain above politics

[Reality,,is here. Accept it.]

India has survived despite the slaughter of millions of people on ethno-religious grounds. India runs on multiculturalism it is a special kind of relationship adopted by the state towards different cultural communities that fall within its sovereignty. Instead of making this a religious or a politically based war, let the truth be uncovered.

India has survived on multiculturism because the majority of people here are a very tolerant lot even though they have been subjected to alot of foreign rule. (considering that even the mughals were not indigenous rulers.)

The man who formed the bridge between the Hindu and Muslim sects in the Ayodhya issue finds himself amidst a controversy and he could be involved in a sleazy affair like murder.

Now the big question is whether this is politically driven in view of the Bihar and Jharkhand elections does the Congress party want to establish credentials as an 'anti-Hindu and anti-forward caste' party, which would help it in the elections.

The man who tried to be a bridge between the opposing parties in the ayodhya issue never acted as an impartial and unbiased moderator. The proposals he made were mostly claims made by the sangh parivar with just sligth cosmestic changes. What was evident even then was his intent to be noticed.( Can't just miss out to point out that even swamijis like to be 'noticed'. - in realtion to the digusting incidents tread.)
One thing I noticed about the whole discussion about his arrest was that it doesnt add up. And i am talking about the critisism of the center. He was arrested by the Tamilnadu police and Tamilnadu is ruled by AIADMK. Where does the congress come in? And why isnt any one questioning the tamilnadu government?

Along with the criticism about amassing wealth, the Mutt and Jeyandra Saraswati himself had become politically powerful. But the manner in which he was arrested could have been a bit more proper

It is time we understood that religion and secular state are different entities and should remain separate. Godmen should remain above politics

Hmmm I dont know if the way he had been arrested could have been a bit more proper. what do u mean by a bit more proper? The police couldnt do it in the day time because there would have been situation that could have turned ugly. And apart fom the timing of the arrest , i do not think much could be changed about what happened. By arresting him on the eve of a hindu festival was only like providing rhetoric fodder for people like the VHP.
More important than we understanding that religion and state should be seperate entities , it is time that the politicians strived to do so.

[igiveadamn]

You are trying to compare apples and oranges...

The Mullah was involved in conspiracy and "GUJRAT POLICE" was arresting him. There was no saying what they would do with him.. maybe kill him in an encounter. They did kill one of his people. Shot him point blank. So the reaction was understandable.

Acharyaji was arrested in the case of a murder, based on proof that can be challeged in court. He is not in grave danger. He is going to get bail and the case is going to go on hence. I think he is going to be vindicated.

The law does state " Innocent till proven guilty".

Also, this incident proves.. none is above the law.

Exactly, it's about apples and oranges. People did behave very well and took the incident very well and are planning to protest it peacefully. And for the records, the YSR government agreed to help the tamilnadu police in nabbing the seer whereas they denied the gujarat police any co-operation. Clearly, some members are above the law and some members are innocent even after being guilty.

[Reality,,its here. Accept it.]

You are trying to compare apples and oranges...

The Mullah was involved in conspiracy and "GUJRAT POLICE" was arresting him. There was no saying what they would do with him.. maybe kill him in an encounter. They did kill one of his people. Shot him point blank. So the reaction was understandable.

Acharyaji was arrested in the case of a murder, based on proof that can be challeged in court. He is not in grave danger. He is going to get bail and the case is going to go on hence. I think he is going to be vindicated.

The law does state " Innocent till proven guilty".

Also, this incident proves.. none is above the law.

Exactly, it's about apples and oranges. People did behave very well and took the incident very well and are planning to protest it peacefully. And for the records, the YSR government agreed to help the tamilnadu police in nabbing the seer whereas they denied the gujarat police any co-operation. Clearly, some members are above the law and some members are innocent even after being guilty.

... The congress was always known as a government for the minorities because it always acted that way. This is just an other incident in the list.

[Igiveadamn]

True, they call themselves secular and champions of the down trodden. But I guess secular for them means oppressing the majority and doing silly favors for the minorities at the cost of the country.

[Reality,,its here.Accept it.]

The best example of Minority Apeasement in the present day scenario, The country of 1 billion people, compromising of 82 % Hindus, has a Muslim President ( 12 % of the population ), a Sikh Primeminister ( approx 4% of the population ) and a Christian Extraconstitutional authority.( approx 4 % again i think.) So i was wondering if there was or is anyother country that has this kind of governing structure and still has minorities complaining of injustice?

p.s: I greatly admire the President and Primeminister and i think irrespective of their religious afflictions they are the best for the job ,, but i still cant miss the irony that they got the jobs because of their religion.( major criteria)

[asli_badmash]

some members are above the law and some members are innocent even after being guilty.

I dont get what part of the post you didnt understand.



"Everybody is innocent till proven guilty beyond doubt". The media and the public can have OPINIONS. But the truth can only be accertained in the court of law.



In cases of emergency POTA can be used, but its misuse has been legendary, specially in GUJRAT after the roits. But I guess that doesnt count.



Anyway, the seer I beleive is above petty murder and will be vindicated.

[CtrlAltDel]

the whole issue is strange and there is something more than what meets the eye. look at the following facts:



1) Karunanidhi never saw eye to eye with the Shankaracharya and opposed him at all fora.



2) Jayalalitha has still not made any statement on this. Jaya TV channel that she owns does not mention this issue in its news. she was known to be close to the seer. is she being blackmailed?



3) the seer was arrested just when courts wud be closed for a 5 day vacation. he wud have to spend time in jail till his case comes up. vendetta abt something?



4) when the police were hunting for the murders of Shankar Raman, 5 people surrendered and promptly named the seer.



it looks like it might be a politically motivated issue. unless we see the evidence the police has gathered we cannot be sure of anything. in case the seer is really guilty, its a matter of great shame for all Hindus. if he's not guilty there wud be a lot of trouble, thats for sure. heads wud roll and asses kicked.

[asli_badmash]

CAD those are some good observations... I hope truth comes out in the open.



The Seer I beleive is a part of the system... you take down the SEER, you hurt the system. The system get hurt.. heads will roll.



You dont touch someone so big unless he is caught in the act of crime, and I beleive he wasnt. I am sure the truth will come out. And every event has some significance. The big question is what actually happened.



As I heard... There is stories that the Maath was involved in some practices which the Manager of the Maath was threatning to expose and aparently he wrote to the Seer. Four days hence he was murdered. No body knows if he was truly involved. Since there would be no video cameras or audio tapes that prove the Seer ordered the hit.



But anything is possible. Nothing can be discounted. I beleive the seer will have a card up his sleeve. Lets see how he plays this out.

[Igiveadamn]

the whole issue is strange and there is something more than what meets the eye. look at the following facts:

1) Karunanidhi never saw eye to eye with the Shankaracharya and opposed him at all fora.

2) Jayalalitha has still not made any statement on this. Jaya TV channel that she owns does not mention this issue in its news. she was known to be close to the seer. is she being blackmailed?

3) the seer was arrested just when courts wud be closed for a 5 day vacation. he wud have to spend time in jail till his case comes up. vendetta abt something?

4) when the police were hunting for the murders of Shankar Raman, 5 people surrendered and promptly named the seer.

it looks like it might be a politically motivated issue. unless we see the evidence the police has gathered we cannot be sure of anything. in case the seer is really guilty, its a matter of great shame for all Hindus. if he's not guilty there wud be a lot of trouble, thats for sure. heads wud roll and asses kicked.

I hope that he's not guilty and tht after being acquitted, he would issue a press statement urging all the people to exercise restraint.

[Igiveadamn]

The best example of Minority Apeasement in the present day scenario, The country of 1 billion people, compromising of 82 % Hindus, has a Muslim President ( 12 % of the population ), a Sikh Primeminister ( approx 4% of the population ) and a Christian Extraconstitutional authority.( approx 4 % again i think.) So i was wondering if there was or is anyother country that has this kind of governing structure and still has minorities complaining of injustice?
p.s: I greatly admire the President and Primeminister and i think irrespective of their religious afflictions they are the best for the job ,, but i still cant miss the irony that they got the jobs because of their religion.( major criteria)

Well democracy, secularism and freedom have always been misused in this country by everyone. More so by the politicians.

[asli_badmash]

Well democracy, secularism and freedom have always been misused in this country by everyone. More so by the politicians.

True.. what are we doing to change it.



It has taken more than 50 years to build this system. It wont go down in a day. Till we have people who will support this PYRAMID of INJUSTICE and SELF SERVICE.



Today is Nehru's birthday.. the person who initiated Nepotism and the eventual downfall of the free Indian dream. Now its like a state is passed from father to son to grandson. we are back in the days of the RAJ, where few people benefit and ride their life out on the shoulders of many(PYRAMID, you get it...).



I guess I live in a make beleive world. But is it wrong to hope for the best.

[Igiveadamn]

True.. what are we doing to change it.

It has taken more than 50 years to build this system. It wont go down in a day. Till we have people who will support this PYRAMID of INJUSTICE and SELF SERVICE.

Today is Nehru's birthday.. the person who initiated Nepotism and the eventual downfall of the free Indian dream. Now its like a state is passed from father to son to grandson. we are back in the days of the RAJ, where few people benefit and ride their life out on the shoulders of many(PYRAMID, you get it...).

I guess I live in a make beleive world. But is it wrong to hope for the best.

Very true, the Nehru dynasty has been screwing us right from the word go. The congress suckers have to stop appeasing the Gandhi family. They are highly undeserving. And yeah, there's nothing wrong with hoping for the best, but, the question is, what are we doing to get the best?

[enigma]

The man who tried to be a bridge between the opposing parties in the ayodhya issue never acted as an impartial and unbiased moderator. The proposals he made were mostly claims made by the sangh parivar with just sligth cosmestic changes. What was evident even then was his intent to be noticed.( Can't just miss out to point out that even swamijis like to be 'noticed'. - in realtion to the digusting incidents tread.)
One thing I noticed about the whole discussion about his arrest was that it doesnt add up. And i am talking about the critisism of the center. He was arrested by the Tamilnadu police and Tamilnadu is ruled by AIADMK. Where does the congress come in? And why isnt any one questioning the tamilnadu government?

Well the core facts are brought to light early phase of investigation,
letters, confessional statements, banking transactions etc all led to the religious head. It would be absurd for people to believe that he has been framed by the state government to appease minorities after the general election debacle or for any other political reasons. It is an extremely rare case when two bitter adversaries(Jayalalitha and Karunanidhi) agreed on an issue and have stated that law should take its course in this case.

More important than we understanding that religion and state should be seperate entities , it is time that the politicians strived to do so.[/b]

Well at the end of the day, i suppose cant expect politicians to think on those lines of religion and state as separate entities, politicians can only strive towards patronising empty talk; after all the voters are the ones who elected them. We elect people who have no understanding of such issues so basically let us start by understanding it ourselves.



I think indian secularism proposed a principled distance between religion and state by balancing the claims of individuals and religious communities.

[enigma]

Hmmm I dont know if the way he had been arrested could have been a bit more proper. what do u mean by a bit more proper?

The law will take its own course, but the manner in which the arrest of the respected Hindu spiritual leader was effected, was unfortunate, why at midnight, why on deepavali day, whats the fun. They could have confined him in police custody in his ashram itself and questioned him, later would have done the needful. I agree law is the same for everyone but dont you think the timing was wrong or were they under the impression that Sankaracharya would escape to Nepal under the cover of darkness of Amavasya

[Igiveadamn]

Hmmm I dont know if the way he had been arrested could have been a bit more proper. what do u mean by a bit more proper?

The law will take its own course, but the manner in which the arrest of the respected Hindu spiritual leader was effected, was unfortunate, why at midnight, why on deepavali day, whats the fun. They could have confined him in police custody in his ashram itself and questioned him, later would have done the needful. I agree law is the same for everyone but dont you think the timing was wrong or were they under the impression that Sankaracharya would escape to Nepal under the cover of darkness of Amavasya

Yeah even the British had some reserved respect for Mahatma Gandhi, I am sure the police could have shown some respect to this man by house-arresting him. I read that they denied his request for cooking his own food. In my opinion it's an outrage, they should have shown him some compassion/respect. Afterall he's old and religious.

[Lucifer]

I do not know what people here meant by "GUJARAT POLICE". Like the same members said, everyone is "Innocent till proven guilty" don't the police get the same treatment? No court has indicted the Gujarat Police for what happened in the riots - one or two police officers might have been but that does not mean that the whole corps is guilty. That would be like saying all muslims are terrorists just because Osama Bin Laden is one.



Secondly, that Mullah is known to have links with the ISI. Besides, the man was in Police custody. How can anyone justify the mob attacking the commissioner's office to secure his release? How can people be allowed to take the law in their own hands? This was the Deccan Chronicle Headline on that day:



Modi Police arrests...



Is DC trying to say that the Police are on the CMs payroll and not on the Gujarat Government's? Just because the person arrested was a muslim did they have to give this a communal connotation? And, that despite the man in question being an ISI agent? Is this what our press can stoop to to just sell a few extra copies a day? And, then when the Seer is arrested there is nothing - just silence. Why? Just because he is from a majority community and can a majority community can be wronged?

[Reality,,its here. Accept it.]

Well I think that the time will soon be upon us when we are forced to realise that MAN came first and RELIGION was his invention. but in the present day it is more like RELIGION came first and the MAN has his identity because of his faith. If this train of thought continues then we as a species dont have any future.

[dogmatic renegade]

This Shankaracharya case is turning out to be one sensational piece of news. Anyway, the real issues according to me are these:



The first is the manner of his arrest. I don't personally see any "proper" way to arrest a person. You're arresting him, not exactly inviting him to your daughter's wedding ball. So, I think the police did what they had to do without any frills.



The second, and the real raw nerve, is the timing of his arrest. On a day when they knew darn well that he wouldn't have a chance to get out for at least 3 more days. Clever. But can still be discounted as being a mere co-incidence.



The third, and the most improtant, is the fact that he was not allowed to make the mandatory phone call to his lawyer. This clearly proves that the manner of his arrest and the timing were not mere duty-calls of the corrupt police.



The fourth is the issue of the general reaction to the whole episode.

I think the people are doing the most sensible thing by not resorting to violence.



This is being compared to the reaction to the arrest of a Muslim Mullah recently. A few people reacted violently. What did they get? One of them was shot dead. The others went home sore. And the whole clan got a bad name. Muslims are already suffering from severe hatred from the rest of the world because of a few fools in their community. So now, is showing your decent violently at the risk of being hated by everyone profitable? Not likely.



Moreover, there are other means to show your reaction than just being violent. These can be looked into AFTER he is proved innocent. Until then, keep announcing your discomfort through TV and paper.

[The Crackednut]

The fourth is the issue of the general reaction to the whole episode.I think the people are doing the most sensible thing by not resorting to violence.

This is being compared to the reaction to the arrest of a Muslim Mullah recently. A few people reacted violently. What did they get? One of them was shot dead. The others went home sore. And the whole clan got a bad name. Muslims are already suffering from severe hatred from the rest of the world because of a few fools in their community. So now, is showing your decent violently at the risk of being hated by everyone profitable? Not likely.

Moreover, there are other means to show your reaction than just being violent. These can be looked into AFTER he is proved innocent. Until then, keep announcing your discomfort through TV and paper.

Well put DR... apart from the usual saffron brigade, the whole community doesn't feel the need to take to the streets. It is quite necessary for everyone to remain calm and cool till the actual truth surfaces. Now "actual truth" is quite an oxy-moron since the official version will definetly not contain everything the public SHOULD know, but only the few details the public NEEDS to know.



As far as personal opinion goes, this whole affair seems quite messy to me. There is definetly more than what meets the eye here.

[lonewolf]

Well said dogmatic renegade!