Kufr-Kafir

[DQ]

Attributes of "Kafir" the denier the non believer responsible for Violence.

Voilence against muslims or against themselves? That verse is not clear to me, care to explain? And what is its relevance here?

As aptly said by "Xeno" Read again "you Moron".

Its to the person who denys and breaks the covenant, he is the one who has waged war and shed blood occupied lands, read read.

More of what they do, (The kafirs)

Who is more unjust than those who strive to destroy the mosques and prevent others from commemorating the Name of God therein who could not enter the mosques except with fear. They, (the unjust ones), will be disgraced in this life and will receive great torment in the life hereafter. (2:114)

AH now I see why that increased enthu to identify yourself with the Kafirs that Quran describes

[Mayavi Morpheus]

An attck is one that endangers the life of inncoents ,children ,woman..

Ok, so it is justified (according to quran) to employ violence against those who endanger life of innocents, children and woman. am I understanding you right?

[Xeno]

An attck is one that endangers the life of inncoents ,children ,woman..

Ok, so it is justified (according to quran) to employ violence against those who endanger life of innocents, children and woman. am I understanding you right?

To save the endangered lives(i.e if you are attacked ) ,stop the agressor..,while doing so make sure you dont harm any women or children or any other innocents ,dont even cut down the trees,make sure the water bodies are not destroyed..

[Mayavi Morpheus]

To save the endangered lives(i.e if you are attacked ) ,stop the agressor..,while doing so make sure you dont harm any women or children or any other innocents ,dont even cut down the trees,make sure the water bodies are not destroyed..

you are being vague here. What do you mean by "stop the agressor"? Do all able bodied muslim men stand in a wall and sacrifice themselves like the freedom fighters used to do when facing britishers. How do you stop em?

[Xeno]

To save the endangered lives(i.e if you are attacked ) ,stop the agressor..,while doing so make sure you dont harm any women or children or any other innocents ,dont even cut down the trees,make sure the water bodies are not destroyed..

you are being vague here. What do you mean by "stop the agressor"? Do all able bodied muslim men stand in a wall and sacrifice themselves like the freedom fighters used to do when facing britishers. How do you stop em?

It not only is sacrificng yourself but also protecting your dependents, if your wife and children are about to be attcked and all you could do is stand on a wall I pity you,me I would do anything to protect them, all that matters is safety of my dependents and destruction of the agressor..

[Mayavi Morpheus]

It not only is sacrificng yourself but also protecting your dependents, if your wife and children are about to be attcked and all you could do is stand on a wall I pity you,me I would do anything to protect them, all that matters is safety of my dependents and destruction of the agressor..

you mean you are ready for anything like the 2002 gujarat riots and you will justify it through religion? I hope you know what happened in guajrat, 59 hindus (women, children and innocents) were killed by a muslim mob and in retaliation 790 muslims were killed by hindu mobs (you see, hinduism has evolved from 11th century to 2000, from killing their own wives in defence to killing 10 times their own). Is that the kind of retaliation you are talking about? if not, what is the difference?

[CtrlAltDel]

i think the discussion is going round n round in circles here...i dont want to quote any verses from quan or anything here coz i havent read it. frankly i dont see where this discussion is leading to.



but i am still waiting for Xeno to gimme the link where he found various interesting aspects of Hinduism...



if he can make claims without any substantiation, i think Mayavi too can quote in any context that he finds suitable...

[lonewolf]

but i am still waiting for Xeno to gimme the link where he found various interesting aspects of Hinduism...

Darn, you are close to becoming a sex guru

[Xeno]

It not only is sacrificng yourself but also protecting your dependents, if your wife and children are about to be attcked and all you could do is stand on a wall I pity you,me I would do anything to protect them, all that matters is safety of my dependents and destruction of the agressor..

you mean you are ready for anything like the 2002 gujarat riots and you will justify it through religion? I hope you know what happened in guajrat, 59 hindus (women, children and innocents) were killed by a muslim mob and in retaliation 790 muslims were killed by hindu mobs (you see, hinduism has evolved from 11th century to 2000, from killing their own wives in defence to killing 10 times their own). Is that the kind of retaliation you are talking about? if not, what is the difference?

First of all muslilms did not do the gujarat riots as was pointed out in the report by the railway ministry.



Second we are talking about defence here and not retaliation..



Third look at what I said about how to defend ...Gujarat was a genocide sponsored by the gujarat governmnet..Train carnage was a drama , a pretext usd to kill thousand of innocent muslims , if killings musims is what you call the evolution of Hinduism I can see where its leading ..and how long will it take befiore it destroys itself..

[DQ]

It not only is sacrificng yourself but also protecting your dependents, if your wife and children are about to be attcked and all you could do is stand on a wall I pity you,me I would do anything to protect them, all that matters is safety of my dependents and destruction of the agressor..

you mean you are ready for anything like the 2002 gujarat riots and you will justify it through religion? I hope you know what happened in guajrat, 59 hindus (women, children and innocents) were killed by a muslim mob and in retaliation 790 muslims were killed by hindu mobs (you see, hinduism has evolved from 11th century to 2000, from killing their own wives in defence to killing 10 times their own). Is that the kind of retaliation you are talking about? if not, what is the difference?

SO this is your definition of Evolution/ free world. Kill X 10 times

[Mayavi Morpheus]

First of all muslilms did not do the gujarat riots as was pointed out in the report by the railway ministry.

Second we are talking about defence here and not retaliation..

Third look at what I said about how to defend ...Gujarat was a genocide sponsored by the gujarat governmnet..Train carnage was a drama , a pretext usd to kill thousand of innocent muslims , if killings musims is what you call the evolution of Hinduism I can see where its leading ..and how long will it take befiore it destroys itself..

arrey bhai, aap kare to chamatkar, hum kare to balatkar? yeh kaha ka nyay hai?

Btw, Isnt attack best form of defence?

[Xeno]

Btw, Isnt attack best form of defence?

May be with the RSS..

[Mayavi Morpheus]

May be with the RSS..

and you run away?

[DQ]

First of all muslilms did not do the gujarat riots as was pointed out in the report by the railway ministry.

Second we are talking about defence here and not retaliation..

Third look at what I said about how to defend ...Gujarat was a genocide sponsored by the gujarat governmnet..Train carnage was a drama , a pretext usd to kill thousand of innocent muslims , if killings musims is what you call the evolution of Hinduism I can see where its leading ..and how long will it take befiore it destroys itself..

arrey bhai, aap kare to chamatkar, hum kare to balatkar? yeh kaha ka nyay hai?
Btw, Isnt attack best form of defence?

So Gujrat was Defence?

[Mayavi Morpheus]

So Gujrat was Defence?

err... if you have followed the thread, thats the question I am asking. Seems it is justified according to xeno's interpretation of quran except for the fact that its muslims that died.

[DQ]

So Gujrat was Defence?

err... if you have followed the thread, thats the question I am asking. Seems it is justified according to xeno's interpretation of quran except for the fact that its muslims that died.

I dont see it unless and until you are trying to shy away.....

[Xeno]

May be with the RSS..

and you run away?

And for you killing of innocent lifes ,rape and mutilation is the evolution of Hinduism..good and we are debating ..are you speaking for all the Hindus ,becuase I know some hindus who donot follow the religiuos scriptures as you follow word by word but ar eby and large non violent..



Is it the hindu religiuos text that gave you an idea that eveloution of hinduism means killings of muslims or is it the RSS doctrine?



Am I talking to a Hindu here or is he a RSS sanchalak..



..I am kinda curious

[CtrlAltDel]

am i speaking to an LeT pakistani agent who escaped being arrested in the raid last week or am i speaking to a normal muslim?

[Sharjeel]

*Beeep!* This thread has been destroyed by FHians in a mudslinging mood.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

May be with the RSS..

and you run away?

And for you killing of innocent lifes ,rape and mutilation is the evolution of Hinduism..good and we are debating ..are you speaking for all the Hindus ,becuase I know some hindus who donot follow the religiuos scriptures as you follow word by word but ar eby and large non violent..

Is it the hindu religiuos text that gave you an idea that eveloution of hinduism means killings of muslims or is it the RSS doctrine?

Am I talking to a Hindu here or is he a RSS sanchalak..

..I am kinda curious

I kinda forgot how many hoops we been through... can you remind me pls?

Seems like you dont know what you have to do when attacked. You will defend, but dont know how u will defend. Do you wait for gods miracle?

[Xeno]

May be with the RSS..

and you run away?

And for you killing of innocent lifes ,rape and mutilation is the evolution of Hinduism..good and we are debating ..are you speaking for all the Hindus ,becuase I know some hindus who donot follow the religiuos scriptures as you follow word by word but ar eby and large non violent..

Is it the hindu religiuos text that gave you an idea that eveloution of hinduism means killings of muslims or is it the RSS doctrine?

Am I talking to a Hindu here or is he a RSS sanchalak..

..I am kinda curious

I kinda forgot how many hoops we been through... can you remind me pls?
Seems like you dont know what you have to do when attacked. You will defend, but dont know how u will defend. Do you wait for gods miracle?

And for you defence..err I mean evolution of Hinduism.. is killing 10 times the number of innocents,not to mention with the aid of the state machinery..and you call Hinduism a non violent religion aand RSS a non violent organization..good ..makeing your self look more stupid than I thought..

[Mayavi Morpheus]

I rest my case.

[Sharjeel]

I rest my case.

You did not have one anyway.



You are annoyed at being called a kafir, which is understandable. But please do not think that you can win an argment by quoting out-of-context.



If you are really genuinely curious, me suggests that you get a good translation of the Quran and Bible, and start reading.

[CtrlAltDel]

i have seen off-topic threads but this one takes the cake...

[lonewolf]

i have seen off-topic threads but this one takes the cake...

I think the OX one beats this thread; it was also very crass and vulgar.