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by Lucifer » Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:22 pm

This is directed at HP, and HP alone.



Leaving all the comments made by Sania or Khushboo or anyone else, what is wrong with pre-marital sex? Mind it, I am not talking of teenage sex or paid sex. If two people are in love, if those people are mature, why should they not have sex if they are not married?



It is not meant to be personal or anything. I am just curious. May be what I feel about the issue is wrong, in which case I am willing to listen to reason and change my views. I am not above that.
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by CtrlAltDel » Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:37 pm

DQ wrote:I am not sure if our resident expert CAD will agree but here is what happens in the name of sex education in our society.

Most women before marriage have very little or no clue about love making or Sex or Safe Sex.

Men, and their uncleted education. The uncle is usually the local goonda, the outspoken member of the community or in very rare cases of the family.

How does he educate?
Among the ways he educates.
1. Discusses or taunts the boy about the size of the Penis.
2. Tells him in what quantity dry fruits need to be eaten to increase the size.
3. Some one whose marriage is approaching in counselled in the following ways
- some cases taken to a prostitute to teach him how to screw.
- Palang tod pan is given
- various stories of what happened on peoples first nights are told, and none of them have had less then 6 rounds.

With all this in mind what happens invariably is nothing less then rape. Making women bleed - scream are considered acts of valor.

talk about elders and education. if you have the guts run a survey, enter every marriage hall and ask the groom if he has purchased condoms.

Grooms in their mid 30s expect one of their married friend to gift them a condom as they are too shy to buy one of their own.

Aplogies if this description has gone graphic but this is the sad reality.
as the 'resident expert' (like DQ has titled me), i must say that DQ is right. what he has described is exactly the kind of sex education an average indian boy gets from friends or elders. sex education in schools is pathetic, with the blushing teacher rushing thru the chapter with the students giggling thru out the session.

i have had highly qualified colleagues and friends, just before their marriage, ask me how a condom is worn :roll: and believe it or not, a few girls (who are close freinds) have also asked me certain questions on the subject before they got married (maybe coz they know i answer them seriously without laffing or teasing them).

it shows how much disinformation is prevelant even among the educated classes. even i grew up bombarded with disinformation from friends and porn but i dispelled it all by reading proper books on sex that tell the truth.



....finally i repeat luci's question: what is wrong with pre-marital sex? after all its between 2 consenting adults and not rape.
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by xfactor » Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:54 am

B4s..



Dude wake up knock knock reality check ..i think you need a big one ...please go straight and turn left u may find some relaity check by themm... :D



FYI...



Virginity is not any more a DIGINITY its just a lack of oppourtinites...



So go and get a reliaty check..



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by Aquarian81 » Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:20 am

Honestly, Im not even sure what this post was really about anyway. But what I am sure of is that if stupid, irresponsible people werent so stupid and irresponsible, diseases like AIDS wouldnt have become a pandemic. Its no wonder the three monotheistic religions prohibit pre-marital sex, and sex outside of marriage. It helps keep such diseases at bay.
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by The Other Side Of U n Me » Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:08 pm

com on guyz !!!.....



you ppl took the post very seriously!...



after all you are speaking about some "statements" made by some one and you don't have any kind of personal enimity with any one here!...so use gud language while speaking to others.......





i agree with (most of) the soooooo called 21 century guyz :D





whats wrong in having sex b4 marriage???



what can a mother or father teach her/his daughter or son about sex??

they will teach them that how AIDS spread's and what are causes ...and how can one prevent it.... ...thats it naa..



will any parent teach their childeren about practical sex??

will they make any practical sex b4 their children or with their children??

when innocent children ask their parents about what is "sex" or "vagina" or "pennis" etc will any parent show and teach about them??

an average thinking indian or asian never do that exept soooooo called 21 century guyz/gals... who will do practical sex b4 their children or with their children ??? i think..only 21 century guys and not those guys/gals whose thinking level is 17 century .....





coming about so called indian culture or traditions...



what is indian culture??



krishna who sexual attractions towards his own sis??

or a girls gets married with 5 brothers and sleep with every one on their respective dayz??

or women who have sex b4 marriage and give birth to babies??? whom u treat as gods???

with the name of gandrva vivah one can have gud sex with a women and leave her in forests??

one man(god) having many wifes??

or a god ho is neighter a women nor a man...



"sati" dowry " child marriages" etc ...is this indian culture n traditions??



u guys are still dreaming.....

there is no more indian culture or traditions as such in metros...



soon.....the so called indian culture or tradition is going to end....



hinduism??? is this religion still exits in metros?? even it exists.....how many are following??? how many go to temple or offer prayers at home every day........soon hinduism is also going to end.....as many guyz and girls are converting into christianity.....

the day is not too far when indian culture /traditions/hinduism are going to end for ever.............



gud luck guyz...



one min....if u are a BP patient or such wait for some time ...drink some water ....and then reply to this post.......



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by CtrlAltDel » Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:35 pm

The Other Side Of U n Me wrote:will any parent teach their childeren about practical sex??
will they make any practical sex b4 their children or with their children??
when innocent children ask their parents about what is "sex" or "vagina" or "pennis" etc will any parent show and teach about them??
an average thinking indian or asian never do that exept soooooo called 21 century guyz/gals... who will do practical sex b4 their children or with their children ??? i think..only 21 century guys and not those guys/gals whose thinking level is 17 century .....
:lol: good one! :lol:
The Other Side Of U n Me wrote:krishna who sexual attractions towards his own sis??
:? krishna had a sister? :? his elder brother balram was his only surviving sibling. the rest were killed at birth by his mamaji, remember?
The Other Side Of U n Me wrote:or a girls gets married with 5 brothers and sleep with every one on their respective dayz??
:D well...if a girl is married to 5 men, there has to be some time-sharing! :lol:
The Other Side Of U n Me wrote:or women who have sex b4 marriage and give birth to babies??? whom u treat as gods???
in hinduism, even gods have some weaknesses. and that shows that premarital sex was not exactly a great sin in ancient hinduism.
The Other Side Of U n Me wrote:with the name of gandrva vivah one can have gud sex with a women and leave her in forests??
one man(god) having many wifes??
do all this happen now? hinduism has evolved beyond ancient rules.
The Other Side Of U n Me wrote:or a god ho is neighter a women nor a man...
shows hindusim accepts alternate sexuality and doesnt prosecute the so called 'deviants'
The Other Side Of U n Me wrote:"sati" dowry " child marriages" etc ...is this indian culture n traditions??
sati and dowry are not mentioned anywhere in the religious scriptures. they are mediviel additions and extrapolations. child marriages exists in all major religions - a reflection of the society in those times.
The Other Side Of U n Me wrote:there is no more indian culture or traditions as such in metros...

soon.....the so called indian culture or tradition is going to end....

hinduism??? is this religion still exits in metros?? even it exists.....how many are following??? how many go to temple or offer prayers at home every day........soon hinduism is also going to end.....as many guyz and girls are converting into christianity.....
the day is not too far when indian culture /traditions/hinduism are going to end for ever.............
:lol: looks like u read a lot of RSS/VHP literature and take them seriously too! :lol: (ok..that was not a personal abuse, only a light hearted comment)



looks like u dont really know what it is to be a 'hindu'. it is not a structured 'religion' with rules on who is and who isnt a hindu.



an important thng to know is that Atheism (not believing in God) is a recognized philosophy in Hindusim. if a man is born in a hindu family, he is a hindu, whether he prays or not, believes in God or not. hindu culture is nothing but the customs/culture of a certain area and era - not one hindu scripture has codified it as an absolute.



these conversions have been happenning since foreign religions set foot in india and it hasnt affected hindusim in any way. moreover, the conversion of guys and gals u are talking abt isnt such a widely prevelent issue. most of them happen after marriage and its upto the couple to decide what religion they shud follow.



what the hindu fundamentalists are trying to do is to convert hinduism into a dogmatic, rigid, rule-bound. evangelical and structured religion, which it never was, and i feel u too seem to think on the same lines.
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by The Other Side Of Me n U » Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:22 pm

THANX......CAD!



thanx for taking my post in right spirit!....






krishna had a sister? his elder brother balram was his only surviving sibling. the rest were killed at birth by his mamaji, remember?


not his own sister........cousin..(i have read some where in a book...and many guyz question me about this issue ...when i support hinduism or indian culture)




looks like u read a lot of RSS/VHP literature and take them seriously too! (ok..that was not a personal abuse, only a light hearted comment)



:D :D naturally i follow RSS/VHP but not as much as u think.....
when ever i see girls/guyz wearing skin tights/ transparent dress/minis etc...... having oral sex...kissing etc... at public places..or behaving as if they are living in some europian countries......
i get very angry!!!!!!!!!!... i jus wanna kill them.........even some of my classmates do this... when i ask them about this thing they say.... we are 21 century guys/gals man..... grow up!!!!! etc...

the guys/gals immitating english culture are none but the _____ converted hindus.. these guys/gals act over smart.... i don't think, even the original christians bahave like these fellows..(here i don't mean that all the converted christians are bad.. am seaking about those who act over smart!)



looks like u dont really know what it is to be a 'hindu'. it is not a structured 'religion' with rules on who is and who isnt a hindu.

an important thng to know is that Atheism (not believing in God) is a recognized philosophy in Hindusim. if a man is born in a hindu family, he is a hindu, whether he prays or not, believes in God or not. hindu culture is nothing but the customs/culture of a certain area and era - not one hindu scripture has codified it as an absolute.

these conversions have been happenning since foreign religions set foot in india and it hasnt affected hindusim in any way. moreover, the conversion of guys and gals u are talking abt isnt such a widely prevelent issue. most of them happen after marriage and its upto the couple to decide what religion they shud follow.



thanz CAD....! for ur message for me...
ofcourse i know some of these...but what ever the questions that i have put about lord shiva/krishna/pandavas are not mine.... these questions are quite often raised by soooooooo called 21 century guyz/gals.. :D ..so i posted these questions b4 they ask me :D .....
i thougt theres none to answer these questions... but u did it! :)



what the hindu fundamentalists are trying to do is to convert hinduism into a dogmatic, rigid, rule-bound. evangelical and structured religion, which it never was, and i feel u too seem to think on the same lines.


well CAD... why the hindu fundamentalists are trying to do is to convert hinduism into a dogmatic, rigid, rule-bound. evangelical and structured religion, which it never was, and i feel u too seem to think on the same lines????



jus because..... most of the hindus ...with the name of 21 century are creating nonsense......

they are misusing the "Right to ......religion"

most of the ppl are converting from hindusim to christianity....its became a fashion for some where as the poor or backward class ppl are made to convert in to christianity by paying some amount or free education in christian schools/colleges etc.. free houses etc...

its bad.... if you really love any realigion... they you can choose it without expecting any thing from that religion.....



we need not bother if some one is converted in to christiany by expecting some thing..........but these converted chiristians are doing nonsense....



these ppl don't enter into any temples.. with their hindu friends... though other realigion ppl do.... these ppl don't participate... in hindu festivals...even their hindu friends invite them.... where as the true christians actively involve in any function or hindu festival or going to temples......most of these true christians are gud... they don't make much difference...........

where as the converted christians act over smart......

these ppl think.. late night parties..having (oral) sex... exposing their skin etc is their culture..... they act as if they born to ______ english _____ people....



here am not abusing or making any comments against christianity or christians.....am making a point about those converted chirstians... who act over smart....or those hindus etc who act over smart with name of 21 century!



am not aganist any reigion!..... so don't take my comments negatively!





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by DQ » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:23 am

I will heed your advise and make no comment.



A wee bit though on what I can Decipher from some of your posts.



It appears that you are an ardent beleiver of the Kalyug theory.



- This will happen in kalyug

- That will happen in kalyug

- Women will be this in kalyug

- Men will be that in kalyug.



You have everyright to beleive in what you beleive, you also have every right to feel angry. But your "feeling of killing some one" hmmm thats questionable.



If you beleive this is Kalyug and something needs to be done about it, then chage your self.

Dont bother about what others do.



People wear minis....thats their choice ignore !!!

People smooch in public...its their choice ignore !!!!

YOu dont concur with them allright just ignore, dont become the moral police thats where things get a bit murky.



You have your own sets of morals lead you life according to that.



Snaia - Kushboo has commented, burn - kill - admonish!!!! No rather then that, all these organisations could have worked at spreading the correct word, the word that they beleive in.
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by OsmaniaBiskit » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:43 am

All Kushboo said was -

If you wanna do it - do it right :wink:

What is wrong in pre-marital sex between 2 consenting adults?

I think it is sour grapes :roll:



Is pre-marital sex illegal per Indian penal code? If not, what's the fuss about :?

Hope Hyd'bad never ever goes the Chennai way :lol:

Anyways - Is Kumari Jayalalitha Virgin - I wonder -ALOUD :twisted:
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by CtrlAltDel » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:49 pm

The Other Side Of Me n U wrote:not his own sister........cousin..(i have read some where in a book...and many guyz question me about this issue ...when i support hinduism or indian culture)
in many hindu communities, marrying cousins is allowed. this is true even for muslims.
The Other Side Of Me n U wrote:when ever i see girls/guyz wearing skin tights/ transparent dress/minis etc...... having oral sex...kissing etc... at public places..or behaving as if they are living in some europian countries......
i get very angry!!!!!!!!!!... i jus wanna kill them...
kill? u need to see a doctor before u do something u regret. is there a 'Hindu Rule Book' that specifies a dress code? is there an Indian Law that specifies a dress code? what others wear is none of your business.
btw, you know what is "Auparishtaka"...? it is the sanskrit term for Oral Sex, and Kamasutra has an entire chapter about it. its not a foreign practice.
...and what do u mean u 'saw' people having oral sex? are u sujatha/sri by any chance? ;)
The Other Side Of Me n U wrote:...even some of my classmates do this...
aha! i think u are frustrated coz u arent getting any!!!! :D chill out and look for a girlfriend...! :lol:
The Other Side Of Me n U wrote:... grow up!!!!!...
exactly! if u dont like it dont do it. but what others do in private is not your problem.
The Other Side Of Me n U wrote:...converted hindus.. these guys/gals act over smart.... i don't think, even the original christians bahave like these fellows..(here i don't mean that all the converted christians are bad.. am seaking about those who act over smart!)
excuse me, having sex has nothing to do with one's religion. are u implying that christians have a mandate to indulge in sex in whatever way one wants?
The Other Side Of Me n U wrote:...but what ever the questions that i have put about lord shiva/krishna/pandavas are not mine.... these questions are quite often raised by soooooooo called 21 century guyz/gals.. :D ..so i posted these questions b4 they ask me :D .....
i thougt theres none to answer these questions... but u did it! :)
:lol: its just a matter of understanding the religion in the right perspective.
The Other Side Of Me n U wrote:... most of the hindus ...with the name of 21 century are creating nonsense......
they are misusing the "Right to ......religion"
how? i u are refering to ppl not believing in God or having premarital or oral sex, i have already written abt them...
The Other Side Of Me n U wrote:most of the ppl are converting from hindusim to christianity....its became a fashion for some where as the poor or backward class ppl are made to convert in to christianity by paying some amount or free education in christian schools/colleges etc.. free houses etc...
its bad.... if you really love any realigion... they you can choose it without expecting any thing from that religion.....
now u have said something valid. yes, many of the conversions happen bcoz of inducements, 'bribes', threats and brainwashing. that is bad and like prostitution of religion. if someone fully understands and accepts another religion, its his/her right but i am dead against the immoral conversions.

but have u paused to ask why the poors and backwards have been easily induced by bribes or brainwashing sessions? what did they get from the 'upper caste' hindus that they feel like remaining with hinduism. throw out the caste system as it exists now and give them respect, the conversions would automatically stop.
The Other Side Of Me n U wrote:...but these converted chiristians are doing nonsense....
these ppl don't enter into any temples.. with their hindu friends... though other realigion ppl do.... these ppl don't participate... in hindu festivals...even their hindu friends invite them.... where as the true christians actively involve in any function or hindu festival or going to temples......most of these true christians are gud... they don't make much difference....where as the converted christians act over smart...
:lol: as the Old Jungle Saying goes "The Convert Is More Religious Than the Pope"...but why bother? is it mandatory for them to participate in festivals of other religions?
The Other Side Of Me n U wrote:these ppl think.. late night parties..having (oral) sex... exposing their skin etc is their culture..... they act as if they born to ______ english _____ people....
what do u mean? only christians do these things?
The Other Side Of Me n U wrote:if u don't like my post plz.. don't comment
:? u mean u want replies only from people who agree with u?
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by WTF??? HP » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:07 pm

Lucifer...I never said that there's anything wrong with pre-marital sex. My stand is that its a personal call for one and nobody should be commenting on whether its right or wrong. Its something like religion, you see. I should not be telling you how to pray and who to pray to etc. etc. I hope I'm clear.



CAD....you're right when you say that sex-education in India is primitive. But why throw the blame on uncles alone? Aren't parents accountable for the blame too? And as far as I know, the problem here is that teenagers learn about sex from sources other than any relatives of theirs.



And I don't understand why my stand is taken as something in favour with those who created the hullaboo over the issue. I've said time and again that whatever happened in the aftermath of those comments was unfortunate and hence, celebrities should weigh their words before speaking and not give these elements a chance to create such situations. And I'm not saying that they should keep their mouth shut in future. They should make sure that their comments do not have anything that leaves it open to misinterpretation.



Now, in the light of what I've said above, I guess my answer to Aqua should me more clear. I said that public comments by celebrities will always be dissected. One more reality we live in. And thats why, the inclusion of that phrase was irresponsible. And if I still can't make you folks understand, then there's something seriously wrong with me and I probably don't belong here.



And DQ....if "traitor" is something you're used to since grade-1, it surely goes to show the deep-rooted hatred and bias you might have for anyone who doesn't seem to agree with you. Time and again, I've said in this discussion that I don't subscribe to the RSS view except for just one tenet - that of love towards the nation (that doesn't necessarily mean I express my love in the same way they do). And still, just because I see a lacuna in the comments made in public by the celebrities in question, you generalise me along with that group. Now who is spewing hatred here?



I called you a traitor because you see nothing wrong in an Indian (on paper) cheering for Pakistan when they beat India. You called it a trivial matter. Sport in itself is a trivial matter and I'm not one who would get over-passionate over it. But someone cheering on India's defeat is an entirely different matter.



Finally, to answer Aqua's second query, how can you attribute maladies like AIDS to pre-marital sex alone? Does the AIDS virus have any built-in filter for sex within marriage?
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by DQ » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:45 am

WTF??? HP wrote:And DQ....if "traitor" is something you're used to since grade-1,


Yes I am used to

WTF??? HP wrote: it surely goes to show the deep-rooted hatred and bias you might have for anyone who doesn't seem to agree with you.


Deep rooted hatred and bias for anyone who does't seem to agree.
Whats wrong with you.
Looks like you are habituated to baranding anyone who doesn't concur with you a "traitor"

WTF??? HP wrote:Time and again, I've said in this discussion that I don't subscribe to the RSS view except for just one tenet - that of love towards the nation (that doesn't necessarily mean I express my love in the same way they do). And still, just because I see a lacuna in the comments made in public by the celebrities in question, you generalise me along with that group. Now who is spewing hatred here?


Who generalised you with RSS?
ABVP and Jamaats and thier actons were discussed in this thread.
Your statements show that you firmly stand by the "So Called RV Status the Sangh parivar is promoting". By not only incosiously identifying yourself but also trying to defend their stand.

WTF??? HP wrote:I called you a traitor because you see nothing wrong in an Indian (on paper) cheering for Pakistan when they beat India. You called it a trivial matter. Sport in itself is a trivial matter and I'm not one who would get over-passionate over it. But someone cheering on India's defeat is an entirely different matter.




Though this can be ignored or left to discuss in another thread.

An apt example of how you would prefer this thread to move.

As pointed earlier and thanks to those experiences from Grade 1, I have learnt to identify your likes. NO logical arguement can be had with yourselfs. Just because not many concur with your thought process you would now try to forment distrust among those who concur, what a willy way. 1 Lets start of by brandishing some one a traitor or Paki Sympathiser.



Read some posts a couple of years back about how vehnemtally I support India in whatever arena. But I also find it below my nationlistic pride to tender an explanation or defend my stand to your likes.



In a local league match scoring a boundary, and an idiot like you on his way back commented "Paki" even today when he sits his arse would remind him what it meant by terming an Indian a Paki. But since then I have matured enough, let dogs bark is my attitude. Apni galli ko har kutta apna samjhta hain is se koi farak nahi padtha. Galli ka Kutta Galli ka Kutta hi rahega.
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by OsmaniaBiskit » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:50 am

DQ bhai - Well said!
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by OsmaniaBiskit » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:14 am

WTF??HP - dude you appear to be a borderline fascist. You sure have right to your own opinion, but it does not let you judge anyone else based on things you think are 'unpatriotic'. We win all 'real' wars and Pakistan wins 'some' matches - we are as proud as any other 'patriot by default', sporting, music, movies preference does not change it.





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by CtrlAltDel » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:16 am

DQ, have u forgotten why u were called a 'paki' in this forum....? it is because u defended people who cheered and celebrated when pakistan defeated india. why shud any indian do that?



appreciating their performance is one thing (even i do that) but celebrating and distributing sweets show something is wrong in the head....
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by CtrlAltDel » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:19 am

OsmaniaBiskit wrote:...We win all 'real' wars and Pakistan wins 'some' matches - we are as proud as any other 'patriot by default', sporting, music, movies preference does not change it....
u were not around when DQ made that debate was raging Ossie. DQ had supported indian muslims cheering and celebrating when pakistan defeated india. he said it was bcoz of the Global Identity as a Muslim and will not change. balls.
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by OsmaniaBiskit » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:33 am

Ok - Isn't patriotism a learned behaviour. You have been taught what is patriotic and what is not. And you will not accept anything that is not in line with your 'education'.

As preposterous as it may seem - A muslim can be a a good citizen and 'patriotic' and at the same time be part of a muslim brotherhood.

Sport is just an occasion to express that and mind you not all do that, it is still a minority, hard to believe but true :roll:

I am not sure what DQ had to say about cheering for Pakistan or cheering for Pakistan against India. But it is difficult to explain anything when you are already judged guilty.
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by DQ » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:35 am

Two very different statements clubbed together Here CAD.



On indifference to Gujrat. Here Is what I meant to say, if it was deciphered incorrectly I cannot help



Statement 1. - Cricket and Nationalism.

DQ - "Why is a particular comunity asked to prove its national identity, When killing - raping and terrorising Indian Citizens. Carrying out a Genocide is being ignoed and the same people who were in power were relected. A petty thing like bursting crackers at a Cricket match calls for branding entire communities Anti nationals"



Statement 2. - Global Identity.

"Why should a Indian Muslim raise his concen about Palestine or for that matter any other part of the globe?"

DQ -

"1. It is the Muslim global identity, and the obligation on every Muslim to raise his voice against injustice."

"2. For that matter if injustice is being done even by a so called "Muslim" it is obligatory on every true muslim to raise his voice against that."

"3. If a so called national identity calls for a Muslim to compromise his global Identity (which inturn would mean supporting opression and injustice) that will not happen. But to clear other doubts, no National Identity anywhere in the Globe calls for shunning of the global identity."



Now your clubbing of both these views is not only nefracious but is an injustice initself.
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by CtrlAltDel » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:38 am

OsmaniaBiskit wrote:...mind you not all do that, it is still a minority, hard to believe but true...
i know that...but its that small minority that is queering the pitch for the rest
OsmaniaBiskit wrote:...But it is difficult to explain anything when you are already judged guilty.
:lol: yes we have judged him guilty coz he said its not wrong if some indians celebrate and cheer pakisatn's victories over india.



it is wrong. period.
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by CtrlAltDel » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:41 am

DQ wrote:...Now your clubbing of both these views is not only nefracious but is an injustice initself.
no...u defended the cricket thing and mentioned Global Identity in that context :evil:
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by DQ » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:50 am

No the Global Identity came up on repeated querying of why a Indian Muslim should be concerned about what is happening in Palestine and Iraq.



And about the cricket match it was a query bought up to draw a parallel. In my view greater damage has been doen to the national fabric by a Particular saffron coloured ideology that has gone ahead and carried out the worst atrocites in free India and been allowed to go scot free.



As for cricket I remember a article that I read very many years back two muslim Brothers stabbed each other during a Indo - Pak cricket match, one was supporting India and the Other Pakistan.

So one was a Indian and One was not ?

If one was a Pakistani traitor, why then did the Indian Law punish the Indian Supporter, why wasnt he given a medal for killing a traitor.?
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by RK » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:03 pm

I know this is out of the present topic, but I just cant bear this hypocrisy :evil:



DQ wrote:And about the cricket match it was a query bought up to draw a parallel. In my view greater damage has been doen to the national fabric by a Particular saffron coloured ideology that has gone ahead and carried out the worst atrocites in free India and been allowed to go scot free.

If you are so concerned about injustice, why don't you ever talk of one more particular ideology which bombs and kills civilians in the name of so called attrocities and injustice being done to their fellow community men in some XYZ part of the world(example: bombs in delhi in the name of attrocities in J&K) and which says that believers in other religions are sinners and killing them is a noble act? Is this not injustice too?? :evil: :evil:

DQ wrote:If a so called national identity calls for a Muslim to compromise his global Identity (which inturn would mean supporting opression and injustice) that will not happen. But to clear other doubts, no National Identity anywhere in the Globe calls for shunning of the global identity."


dude please give us a break, from this nonsense :evil: :evil:
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by Aquarian81 » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:26 pm

HP, the idea of a built-in filter system really tickles me. I think that would be a great protection for responsible people----as for irresponsible people, we'll let the AIDS and other STD's get them.



The way they can get AIDS is through multiple partners who arent faithful to one another and hop into bed with 1,000 different people, sometimes some of those partners already have the virus and it is carried and passed around to everyone sharing his/her bed.

Obviously married people will be 'filtered' because they dont sleep around with others, sex stays between them and unless one of them is already infected and happens to pass it to the spouse.
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by GreatAth » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:35 pm

But what I am sure of is that if stupid, irresponsible people werent so stupid and irresponsible, diseases like AIDS wouldnt have become a pandemic. Its no wonder the three monotheistic religions prohibit pre-marital sex, and sex outside of marriage. It helps keep such diseases at bay.




Yeah, right! And the countries where the three monotheistic religions are practiced have no incidents of AIDS at all!!! :roll:
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by Aquarian81 » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:49 pm

The monotheistic religions prohibit sex outside the marriage, not everyone follows it though----big difference. [/u]
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