Watch out....else one day men have to fight for Rights !!

[DQ]

Women Have rights.

Children have rights.

Even Animals have rights.


For the only Disposable entities called Men, even talking about their day to day difficulties is a SIN. Forget about the rights.

Only 20% of the people in India feed remaining 80%.

This 20% is mostly men.
Remaining 80% is primarily made of women, children, elderly parents and the unemployed.

Couldn't resist again. Trying to ignore this absurdity but.......



If not for the 80 % what would these 20% have done.



You are a greater threat that any other "ism" dude.





RIGHTS ....RIGHTS.... RIGHTS. Kya rights chahiye re isko?



Tujh jaise pe to HUMAN RIGHTS BE LAGOO NAHI HOTE.

[Misuse_Dowry_Laws]

Article by Madhu Kishwar



http://www.indiatogether.org/manushi/is ... mestic.htm



.........

Instrument of Blackmail?



Sadly, there are also any number of cases coming to light where Section 498A has been used mainly as an instrument of blackmail. It lends itself to easy misuse as a tool for wreaking vengeance on entire families, because, under this section, it is available to the police to arrest anyone a married woman names as a tormentor in her complaint, as “cruelty" in marriage has been made a non-bailable offence. Thereafter, bail in such cases has been denied as a basic right.



Many allege that such a drastic paradigm shift has lent itself to gross abuse, because arresting and putting a person in jail, even before the trial has begun, amounts to pre-judging and punishing the accused without due process. Although a preliminary investigation is required after the registration of the F.I.R, in practice such complaints are registered, whether the charges are proved valid or not, and arrest warrants issued, without determining whether the concerned family is actually abusive, or they have been falsely implicated. For example, there are any number of cases where the problem is mutual maladjustment of the couple rather than abuse by the entire joint family. However, a host of relatives, including elderly parents, who are not necessarily the cause of maladjustment, have all been arrested and put in jail for varying lengths of time before the trial begins. Lawyers have cited several cases where judges have refused bail unless the accused family deposits a certain sum of money in the complainant’s name as a precondition to the grant of bail.



..............read full article...



http://www.indiatogether.org/manushi/is ... mestic.htm

[misuse_dowry_laws]

http://www.indiatogether.org/manushi/is ... mestic.htm



Even Feminists say 90% are false.....



Are These Stray Cases?



The question to ask is: are these stray examples or do they represent a growing trend? Opinions differ. Some lawyers will tell you that more than 90 per cent of cases under 498A are false or are based on questionable grounds. A lawyer, who handles the cases of Sabla Sangh, told me that in Punjab, on any random day, 75 per cent of the cases listed for hearing in criminal courts are registered under section 498A, and of these more than 90 per cent are malafide. Sumitra Kant of Punjab Istri Sabha confirms that the proportion of such blackmail cases is growing fast in Punjab and cited several cases personally known to her.

[misuse_dowry_laws]

DQ,



Raste pe raho.



Fascists ko Human rights ka kya pata !!



My aim is to reach to as many people as possible for awareness !!



I wanted to provoke you, which I succeeded beautifully so that my message remains in the front even when you contribute. You helped me in doing so. Simple.... is not it......I thank you for that!! Ha! Haa!!



I gain whenever I make you comment because that will make my genuine message come to front.



I do know what I write is utter bullshit for many men. But I am sure the day they get into trouble (false dowry cases, false workplace harassment cases, false rape cases, false eve teasing cases), they will know where to get help and how to save themselves from thirsty police and lawyers.



The Feminazies have commited a great mistake by taking panga with Techies and NRIs. Now, I am just interested in watching fun.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

21% of Indian women face violence



Twenty-one per cent of Indian women from the age of 15 have experienced some form of violence, according to a report released on Tuesday.



The report, 'Violence Against Women: Health Sector Perspective', quoting the National Family Health Survey, 1998-99, says that 19 per cent of women have been "beaten or physically mistreated" by their husbands.



The data implies that among women who report physical abuse, nine out of 10 have been beaten by their husbands, one out of seven by other persons and one out of 12 by their in-laws, says the report based on a workshop conducted this October.



It says that women facing violence experience not only psychological and emotional trauma, but also serious reproductive and sexual health complications.



Violence has severe physical and mental health implications, including fatal and non-fatal consequences such as unwanted pregnancies, miscarriages, psychological trauma and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV, it says.



It poses an obstacle in ensuring women's dignity and human rights as well as overall health and well being, the report says adding addressing this issue requires a multi-sectoral approach in which health care system has a key role to play.

[misuse_dowry_laws]

Have you heard of the saying,



Behind every successful man, there is a woman.



This souds Great.



But, the chance of unsuccessful men getting interviewed is Nil. Nobody asks the unsuccessful men who is behind them.



This is called biases sampling in statistics. It is important that whenever statistics is quoted, we have to take samples from both sides. Otherwise, what we get will lead us to dangerous conclusions. If you have doubts, then I can post another statistical analysis in newspapers which says "Women are Born Liars." But I will not accept it until I get a similar analysis done for men which may in the end say "Men are born liars"..





I accept, the above article that 21% of Indian women face violence.



Now, can we conduct a similar survey for men to have a bit of balance ?



The typical answer is that we do not need such a survey.

Nobody will fund such a survey. Thats because men are fed a notion that they are disposable, then are meant to face violence by default from any source (men, women, vehicles from roads, wars, firefighting, losing limbs in factory). So, we assume that men do not have a right to ask "Why they only need to indulge in situation/work which batters them ? Why they need to protect women and finance women ?"



Men also face violence from fellow men.



The chance of men facing violence from other men is much more than women facing violence from men.



Men kill 3 times more men than women.

Men are much many times more violence to men than women.



Regarding, violence in household, we are in the process of getting the statistics done for violence (Physical and Mental) on men by women in marital relationships. We will do it by authorised agencies without any funds from vested interests abroad.



Men are conditioned not to cry since childhood, not to express difficulties. One out of 10 suffereing men may acknowledge that he faces nagging, blackmailing and threats from his wife. He has to work 12 hours a day and face bossism at home at evening (in a nuclear family situation). The female has whole day free time for plotting and scheming. In the end, one fine day, he may cross the limits of tolerance and give her a good slap. Then female can make a issue out of it saying that her husband is indulging in domestic violence. We got to remember that a woman is 5 times more stronger than a man emotionally and she also has got a lot of freetime in a nuclear family (in in-laws are not there). Get into an emotional argument with a female and you can know how much strong they are. One personal attack is enough for a man to lick his mental wounds for years(physical wounds if any will go away in no time).

[misuse_dowry_laws]

Man to Women who want to get Liberated:


You wanted to get married. You wanted to have the children. You wanted to have the house and the furniture. And now you want to get Liberated ?




If men indeed are torturing women all over India and men have good time at the expense of women, then why the hell men have lesser life expectency and why 3 times more men commit suicide than women ?

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Duryodhan Behera

his dad named him THAT????

Thats a common name among Oriyas. Duryodhan means difficult to fight in sanskrit.

[mark]

yawn.







lesser life expectancy is a worldwide thing, women live longer than men, maybe cos they're smaller, who gives a _ really?

More men commit suicide cos of the corriolis effect, the deflection of moving objects to the right in the nothern hemisphere due to the rotation of the earth. probably. but again who really cares?





all in all, yawn. you've made your point about abuse of males by females, MDL, i'm sure there are other issues that concern you, or is this the only topic you feel willing to contribute to on this website? you've got 37 posts and all of them are on the topic of how unfair the world is to males, and how biased everything is towards females.



i'm not asking you to spam, but you could at least start a topic on another subject that interests you, so we can guage your intellegence accurately, as you haven't given us much to go on so far.[/b]

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Looks @ mark....throws a fly into his yawning mouth

[mark]

Looks @ mark....throws a fly into his yawning mouth

apart from a raw potato, thats the first solid to have passed my lips in 48 hours.

[misuse_dowry_laws]

Finally, now I realise, this website has a module to guage intelligence of people accurately !!



So I guess, I have to prove my intelligence accurately before I start spam!!



Modern education makes us idiotic. It teaches us how to think and not "how not to think". It teaches us how to be intelligent (whatever bullshit it may be) and certainly not "how to be an idiot at least for one hour a day". So, you all must agree how much biased and unbalance this modern education is.



Now here I am, trying to prove myself an utter idiot in front of a whole bunch of intelligent people. Thats the reason, I started writing on a very weird, nonconventional topic (just to see how open minded people are). This will not be the last time you will come across this topic of Anti-Feminism.



If I am really concerned about something, then certainly I should act on that in stead of discussing it endlessly here.



The days of Feminists in India and of course worldwide are over. Because, they never went to the root of the issues and their entire ideology is based on western reductionism and judgemental behaviour.



Of course, recently I heard that a lot of intelligent people from Andhra Pradesh really take hugh amounts of dowry. If you know any any such guys people pass on their names. I will make sure to track them and nail their as*es.



Now, I have a point. Its well established that most people in AP are overemotional (just like women) may be due to movie effect. Females indeed play a big role in decision making at homes in AP when I compare with other states of India. Illiterate Females (not intelligent Feminists) even created revolutions to stop men from drinking arrack. I do rememeber some great female MLA running towards NTR to hit him with shoes in assembly in 1984 ....during toppling of Govt. by amother great female called Indira Gandhi (whose own daughter-in-law filed a cases against her).

Another great female is being called as "the only man in his cabinet" by NTR.



In spite of having such feminine power in general populace, the dowry is quite high in this state when compared to other neighbouring states which are proud of their men folk. In fact, AP is one of the states where dowry laws are much relaxed. In all over India, the law 498a is Non-Bailable and Non-compoudable. In AP, the govt. has made it Compoundable already. In spite of dowry being so high and so many intelligent people shouting about stringent laws, the govt. at Hyderabad is relaxing the laws !!



It seems a lot of innocent guys are paying price (with false dowry cases) due to dowry related sins of the guys in AP.

[mark]

we do appreciate the fact that you're the ONLY person on this site with more than 5 posts who has never spammed. I also appreciate your passion on this particular topic, makes me wonder if you've had many bad experiences in the past?

however i'm not sure where you're going with this. what do you want us (i.e. everybody in the world who's not you) to do about it? give us some sort of a roadmap for change, to the way you'd like to see the world. sort of a 12 step plan, at the end of which things would be moving in the right direction.

Treat it like a project, we're going to do some gap analysis on it's ass.

A. Current state as you see it

B. Where you would like us to be.



Then the real fun starts. 12 easy steps that we can all put into practice everyday, which will bring us from A to B, in X number of years. Try to include women in this too, what can they do (or stop doing) that would make you (and everybody who's not you) more comfortable?

[daisy]

we do appreciate the fact that you're the ONLY person on this site with more than 5 posts who has never spammed. I also appreciate your passion on this particular topic, makes me wonder if you've had many bad experiences in the past?
however i'm not sure where you're going with this. what do you want us (i.e. everybody in the world who's not you) to do about it? give us some sort of a roadmap for change, to the way you'd like to see the world. sort of a 12 step plan, at the end of which things would be moving in the right direction.
Treat it like a project, we're going to do some gap analysis on it's ass.
A. Current state as you see it
B. Where you would like us to be.

Then the real fun starts. 12 easy steps that we can all put into practice everyday, which will bring us from A to B, in X number of years. Try to include women in this too, what can they do (or stop doing) that would make you (and everybody who's not you) more comfortable?

10/10 stars Mark.

[Jaszalcatraz]

we do appreciate the fact that you're the ONLY person on this site with more than 5 posts who has never spammed. I also appreciate your passion on this particular topic, makes me wonder if you've had many bad experiences in the past?
however i'm not sure where you're going with this. what do you want us (i.e. everybody in the world who's not you) to do about it? give us some sort of a roadmap for change, to the way you'd like to see the world. sort of a 12 step plan, at the end of which things would be moving in the right direction.
Treat it like a project, we're going to do some gap analysis on it's ass.
A. Current state as you see it
B. Where you would like us to be.

Then the real fun starts. 12 easy steps that we can all put into practice everyday, which will bring us from A to B, in X number of years. Try to include women in this too, what can they do (or stop doing) that would make you (and everybody who's not you) more comfortable?

SPAM ALERT



ROFLMAO @ Mark

[CtrlAltDel]

we do appreciate the fact that you're the ONLY person on this site with more than 5 posts who has never spammed. I also appreciate your passion on this particular topic, makes me wonder if you've had many bad experiences in the past?
however i'm not sure where you're going with this. what do you want us (i.e. everybody in the world who's not you) to do about it? give us some sort of a roadmap for change, to the way you'd like to see the world. sort of a 12 step plan, at the end of which things would be moving in the right direction.
Treat it like a project, we're going to do some gap analysis on it's ass.
A. Current state as you see it
B. Where you would like us to be.

Then the real fun starts. 12 easy steps that we can all put into practice everyday, which will bring us from A to B, in X number of years. Try to include women in this too, what can they do (or stop doing) that would make you (and everybody who's not you) more comfortable?

u shud have a drink every night mark!

[Arti]

u shud have a drink every night mark!

One track mind!!

[CtrlAltDel]

u shud have a drink every night mark!

One track mind!!

all his best posts are made when he's drunk

[Arti]

u shud have a drink every night mark!

One track mind!!

all his best posts are made when he's drunk

I wonder if you notice them when you're sober

[CtrlAltDel]

u shud have a drink every night mark!

One track mind!!

all his best posts are made when he's drunk

I wonder if you notice them when you're sober

i wudnt...thats why i have a morning cuppa whiskey instead of coffee....

[Arti]

i wudnt...thats why i have a morning cuppa whiskey instead of coffee....

Good idea... I should try it sometime

[misuse_dowry_laws]

however i'm not sure where you're going with this. what do you want us (i.e. everybody in the world who's not you) to do about it? give us some sort of a roadmap for change, to the way you'd like to see the world. sort of a 12 step plan, at the end of which things would be moving in the right direction.
Treat it like a project, we're going to do some gap analysis on it's ass.
A. Current state as you see it
B. Where you would like us to be.

Then the real fun starts. 12 easy steps that we can all put into practice everyday, which will bring us from A to B, in X number of years. Try to include women in this too, what can they do (or stop doing) that would make you (and everybody who's not you) more comfortable?

The entire thing is a Matrix. The sensory signals are fed to us continuously by media, newspapers, society and conclusions are drawn using baised sampling statistical Methods. This is dangerous in any issue, not just in the issue of activities of feminists. We all know, how Americans and British are misled before Iraq war and how many all over the world are misled by weapons of mass destruction. How meaningful the discussions are in message boards when we allow ourselves get heavily conditioned by media. "American had a nice "don't care attitude" till the planes hit the twin towers."



Its not true that I had a lot of bad experiences. I have counselled a number of guys from Wipro, Infy, hp........who are harassed (continuously threatened) by wife's parents and relatives. Often, the threats are about locking the guy up unless he falls in line.



Regarding 12 point Action Plan:



How do you think things are moving without a roadmap ?



How do you think, US State Department has written a warning on false dowry cases for Americans Visiting India ?



How do you think there is a bill in parliament to straighten the law for daughter-in-law to stop its misuse ?



For your reference I must give some citations:



1) In case of Divorce, the child custody in India is given to one of the parents. If the child (male/female) is below 5 years, it is always given to the mother. It has to be joint custody as in other countries. I know many Indian fathers who have not seen their child for 1-2 years. This is the famous Mrs.Doubtfire (Chachi 420) effect.



2) There is another effect called "Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam" effect. In this case, a woman continues extramarital affair after marriage while the man goes on protecting and financing her at his expense. In the end of the day, the woman puts him and his family behind bars for extortion of some money(often one million Rupees or more) for divorce before getting united with her Ex.



3) The laws of adultery in India are biased against men.(I can give details Later).



The famous people who got into false dowry cases include Chetan Chauhan(cricketer and MP) and Late. Nirupa Roy(Bollywood God mother of Dewaar fame).

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The Matrix has to be broken. We anti-feminists are not againt woman or woman issues, we are only against the ugly methods used by Feminists. We want to stop an impending gender war in India. Because, if there is a war of Genders, everybody loses. The effect on children would be very high. The children who have single parents have a very great chance of being unbalanced when they grow up.



The situation today is not really dangerous. I say this in spite of 50,000 false dowry cases every year and Feminists sharing the extortion and bribe booty with police and other agencies. It will indeed get dangerous when domestic violence bill gets passed in Parliament. This bill is onesided which considers only women as victims of domestic violence (mental or physical).



With divorce rates of Techies shooting up (mainly due to increasing consumerism and related hike in expectation), soon people will start questioning the very process of marriage. With old people made to head towards old-age homes (forced by daughter-in-law Laws), people will start asking questions on the purpose and hassles of having children.



We are running with a phase lag with western countries. We can say we do not care till we experience some shooting in a park or a high school by some minors.



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[misuse_dowry_laws]

Visit following Links, where the guy writes to president of India.



http://misuseof498a.clawz.com/



and another link:



http://gokul.go.to/

[misuse_dowry_laws]

Read this

http://www.amazoncastle.com/feminism/maleview.shtml

........

I think that radical feminists, even if they have not said that they hate men, have promoted policies and cultural expressions which demean men, discourage men, and generally blame men for all the problems of the world. Feminists who do not wish to do this have not been heard, at least not in the past decade or so. Some men react with a cringe when a woman says "I'm a feminist" because they are expecting a tirade. They expect this woman to start criticising them, criticising society, and telling them tales of woe. They expect to hear the radical feminist message, because for a long time that was the only message they got from feminists. If men are going to stop being sick of feminism, then it must begin to speak to them, and become relevant to them. ............

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[facts_single_mothers]

In US,

Single Mothers


Children from single-mother households, compared to children of two-parent households where the father is present, are more likely to go to prison by 20 times, to commit suicide by 5 times, to have behavioral problems by 20 times, to become rapists by 14 times, to run away by 32 times, to abuse chemical substances by 10 times, to drop out of high school by 9 times, to be seriously abused by 33 times, to be fatally abused by 73 times, to be one tenth as likely to get A's in school, and to [per Lenore Weitzman] have a 72% lower standard of living.




Now, I would like to see how someone says, I do not care while sitting on this kind of a time bomb in India.