Is it wrong being a Non-Vegetarian?

by **Andhraite** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 12:11 pm

I\'m asking the same question , may be you (veggies) got no proper point to argue over this... This reply is to killing a life to have a meal --- (This is a dialogue from a Tamil film). You are feeling bad abt killing an animal to have a meal, (so for the time being say , taking one life is one sin). So, when I have a chicken biryani, I have committed one sin... But when you wear Pattu sarees, you r killing 10000\'s of silk worms for one single piece of cloth. That means you are commiting 10000 sins by wearing a saree. Is that not a BIG DEAL? Is that justified then? Definitely not... come on whats your say? Pls counter with good argument...

by **Ramesh** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 3:53 pm

Andhraite, I don\'t know how you got it. I never said that wearing pattu saris is not a sin. it is a sin. any doubt about it? even using things made of leather as well. no justification whatsoever for these heinous crimes, which are on par with non-vegetariansm if not more.

by **pavani** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:12 pm

Then Ramesh, are you thinking of going nude? (Kidding)

by **Andhraite** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:32 am

Hey Ramesh , don\'t be stupid !!! Tell me , did you ever wear a silk shirt? Did you ever kill a fly or a mosquito or an ant? Coming to your nervous system theory, what kind of theory is that? Tell me, if a person\'s nervous system breaks down, like in case of paralysis, is it justified to kill him? He can\'t feel the pain! The same with the plants, even if the plants can\'t feel the pain ... they are losing their lives. If I give a person some toxic substance to make them feel dizzy, then after they become unconsious , then i\'ll kill them by injecting poison, I\'m not the murderer (in your theory), b\'coz they can\'t feel the pain? What do YOU think?

by **bornhyderabadi** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:42 am

Andhraite, I am proud of you. Keep it up.

by **pavani** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 12:27 pm

Bornhyderabadi and Andhrite, you two are very much on my track. I hope to support you in this forum. Keep it up, dear friends.
 
Yours sincerely,
 
Pavani

by **bornhyderabadi** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 12:52 pm

Pavani, thanks for the support, we appreciate and value it.

by **Andhraite** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 10:22 am

Thanx for your support... Anyway, I\'m not fighting here. I\'m just having my say.

by **shadow of doubt** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:50 pm

Let me just show you both sides of the coin here. On one hand, most veggies appear to be hypocrites. They still use leather goods, toothpastes and Lipsticks. Even medicines like cod liver oil... not to mention the other medicines that are made after gruesome testing on animals. It is not love for animals. It is only convenience. I am an animal lover. But only as long as its convenient for me. So what\'s the other side of it? I am a veggie by choice. And I do face many taunts becoz of this. One common rhetoric is: if you can kill a tree and eat it, what\'s wrong in killing a chicken, a pig, a cow or a dog. What next? A lizard, a cockroach? There is no end to it. Let me apply this analogy to something more extreme. If all this is okay, so is cannibalism. Kill your neighbor and microwave him. Serve him for dinner. Even that should be okay. When you can kill a chicken, a pig, a cow, why not a human being? It is becoz you relate to human suffering. You cannot hurt a humnan being becoz you can feel that suffering in your heart (correct me if i am wrong). In the same manner, I relate to animal suffering. I do not know about others, but having been part of both the groups (of veggies and non veggies) I can tell you one thing: a person feels sympathetic towards another\'s pain ONLY if he/she can associate with that pain. So I see a chick in a chicken. Shop today. I see its neck slit barely half way thru. I hear it shriek, before it dies down painfully as it is plunged in boiling hot water. It pains me because I can relate to its pain. It touches my heart. And so I cannot imagine myself relishing a food made after putting an innocent creature to so much pain. The way you cannot imagine yourself eating your neighbor or your best friend, I cannot imagine myself doing that to other creatures. Maybe a day will come when I will rise to such a level of consciousness that I will begin to feel the pain of a tree when vegetables are plucked from it. Maybe that day I will renounce eating food altogether. Other veggies... agree?

by ab » Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:02 pm

I want you, to be my shadow.....

by **shadow of doubt** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:06 pm

I just think it is completely wrong to dub the entire vegetarian population as a bunch of pretenders with multiple standards. Vegetarianism is one thing. I wonder how many actually understand it. I don\'t even claim to do so myself. But just becoz half a dozen veggies around you happen to ill-appreciate this concept, just becoz they don\'t think twice before wearing makeup, leather, silk... it does not warrant anyone from declaring that vegetarianism itself is a fake way of life.

by **shadow of doubt** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:08 pm

Look behind you... there is no escaping the shadow of doubt.
 
MUHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!

by **pavani the shadow lover** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 10:11 pm

Are you my shadow too?

by **Andhraite** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:06 am

The explanation you gave is again showing multiple standards, brother. Maybe you are not able to see your actions properly...
 
 
It\'s not that we just want to eat meat, and so we are having it, but that ithas got more nutrients... and some other good things which help in being healthy. So, your lizard and cockroach and human-beings example doesn\'t work according to this.
 
 
And let me tell you this, there is nothing wrong in being vegis or non-vegis. It\'s up to the individuals to decide. It\'s just like religion. If you want to be a Hindu or a Muslim or a Christian or belong to any other relogion, just take that. But don\'t go and say this religion is bad, that is bad etc. In concept, vegis can\'t say that non-vegis don\'t have feelings and all. When you said that you wear leather belts & silk clothes & kill plants, it can also be implied that you (vegis) too don\'t have feelings. You want silk clothes, you want medicine, you want cakes, you want make-up and all. We say along with that we want some more nutrients... That\'s it - but not meat & fun...

by **bornhyderabadi** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 11:34 am

Hi Mr. Shadow, nice to have you in this board. That\'s a new and nice perspective you have presented on this topic. I know many are sitting on the wall on this issue but once in a while you need to take a firm stand. Your reasoning that you can relate to suffering to humans is justified, but when it comes to animals, I don\'t think we humans have still reached a stage where we can truly relate to animal feelings. I had a dog which I loved so dearly. Sometime back it developed some ailment which doctors could not prognosticate, since it could not express anything and neither I or anyone including the vet could experience what it was undergoing. It died subsequently. If you are talking about shrieks and cries, then I am sorry to say you belong to the genre of people those who are glued to the idiot box and who need loud infomercials to market product/feelings. Life is life and pain is pain no matter to whom it belongs - be it an animal or a plant or a human. If you think shrieks and shouts are what are affecting you, just visit any restuarant or send your servant to get the food. This way you would not have been through the ordeal. That\'s what most veggies do right! Or, as I said before in this board, if you sedate the animal, then none of those obstacles would arise. Then would you justify it?

by **shadow of doubt** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:16 pm

What you have said, my friend, is so absurd, that I am wondering how I can reply!! Think... think... think again. And you will see...

by **shadow of doubt** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:32 pm

Brother dear, I only pointed out that MOST people who claim to be veggies wear leather belts and stuff. I do not endorse it.

by **bornhyderabadi** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:19 pm

I have thought enough on this and I think that it is you who needs to do the thinking. And how about being rational for a change? If you feel my statements are absurd, then you definitely must have a reason to think so, or else you would not have made this statement. This board is for discussion and you are welcome to post your views. So let me know what makes you think my statement is absurd.

by **Z C** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:27 pm

Have to try eating a dog? If not, go to Korea. Can\'t try eating a Monkey in Japan right now, coz I am not that rich.

by ab » Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:58 pm

Don\'t be discouraged...
 

 
I will be there for you...

by **Mayavi Morpheus** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:19 am

Just to clear up some facts, research proves that you can get all the nutrients, proteins, vitamins and fibre in organic food i. e., vegetarian. You don\'t have to eat meat for that.
 
An elephant (a veggie) is as strong as, if not stronger than, a lion (a meat-eater). [I guess it\'s a bad analogy

]
 
P S: Inspite of knowing the above facts and being a PETA supporter, I will never let go a chance to grab a barbecue chicken with a beer

. Sorry, I am like that vonleee.

by **pavani** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 5:14 am

Well, research also proves that you get the same nutrients in other things like steroids and tables, and not only in vegetables... You veggies can stop killing immobile helpless plants by consuming vitamin tablets and thereby become \"gooder\"!!

by **Z C** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:10 am

What are the non-veg items that Indians consume? To my knowledge, 1) chicken 2) lamb 2a) lamb brain 3) beef 4) egg(?) 5) pork 6) deer 7) rabbit

pigeon 9) donkey 10) fish 11) shrimp 12) cranes etc. Birds and anything else? We eat fellow humans\' brains as well ;-)

by **Ramesh** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:55 am

My dear Pavani, you don\'t have to be nude if uou don\'t want to wear silk clothes. You have lots of other choices. Cotton is the best alternative. And regarding Andhraite, I am not killing a plant by eating the fruits and vegetables. Don\'t make any assumptions out of my statements.

by **Andhraite** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:15 am

Most veggies appear to be hypocrites. You still use leather goods, toothpastes, lipstick, medicines... and still go on saying that you don\'t harm any other living beings\' feelings...
 

 
How the hell will you separate a potato from the plant without pulling it out from the soil? Didn\'t you eat potatoes ever? Didn\'t you kill any flies... or ants... Are you not using leather - belts, shoes and all?
How many vegis are not having any form of woodwork in their houses - which is obtained only after killing the tree???

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