Gujrat a country in INDIA

[DQ back]

Given the past trends in Gujrat, appears that it is not in synch with the nation or is there a covert independance plan.



The control of the extreme right on the State itself.



A political party has banned a movie, and the ban is effective.



Yes true, a trivial issue its just a movie.



The larger picture is, yes its a movie but is it banned all over India - no.

Then whats so special that the youth wng of a the state party calls for a ban and its banned across the state.



For all you know there may be half a million others in the state who want to watch to the movie, but two hoots to them its "Modi Raj" and the country dare speak.



Is Gujrat headed for Independance?

[CtrlAltDel]

utta scene nai hai...they are headed for dadagiri-raaj.

[gyanster]

yeah, when the central government introduced compulsory Hindi language teaching in schools TN openly went against it. You think TN is another country within India?

[Sharjeel]

It feels ironic, calling Gujrat an independant state, in a DB reserved for Hyderabadies. WE were the ones who wanted independance during the tumultous days.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

The larger picture is, yes its a movie but is it banned all over India - no.

I havent followed the controversy but AFAIK the movie was not 'banned' in Gujarat. Its the distributors, who are private entities, who decided not to screen the movie in Gujarat.

Now Amir Khan opposes Gujarat Govt. stand on Sardar sarovar Dam and in my opinion he is an idiot, but I fully support his right to an opinion. Similarly, I support Gujarat distributors right to not screen the movie as long as the government does not impose a ban on the movie in the state. The distributors are private entities who make profit screening movies and if they are willing to lose profit for their political stand, no one should stop them.

[WTF??? HP]

Given the past trends in Gujrat, appears that it is not in synch with the nation or is there a covert independance plan.

More than anyone else, you need to be in sync with the reality DQ. For starters, you can get the spelling of the state in question right. Its Gujarat and not Gujrat. Also, it would be a great help if you stopped hatching those conspiracy theories. There is no move, however miniscule, to carve out a new independent country out of Gujarat. Where, beyond your imagination, would you come across such conclusions?

The control of the extreme right on the State itself.

Not that i like it, but its a popular vote and it should be respected atleast on that parameter. There are 3 states with the extreme left in power (WB, Kerala and Tripura). Does it mean these three states are also dabbling in the idea of a separate country?

A political party has banned a movie, and the ban is effective.

Yes true, a trivial issue its just a movie.

The larger picture is, yes its a movie but is it banned all over India - no.
Then whats so special that the youth wng of a the state party calls for a ban and its banned across the state.

I guess MM has aptly answered that for you.

For all you know there may be half a million others in the state who want to watch to the movie, but two hoots to them its "Modi Raj" and the country dare speak.

Did you feel similarly when Satanic Verses was banned in India? There would have been millions who wanted to read it but couldn't do so due to the ban.







P.S. : DQ back......WHY????

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Ok, just read the review of this movie in FH. I wonder why this movie is not banned in whole of India! A terrorrist being passed of as a hero? WTF

[To the point HP]

Ok, just read the review of this movie in FH. I wonder why this movie is not banned in whole of India! A terrorrist being passed of as a hero? WTF

You just damned yourself to be branded a Modi supporter once again. But then, thats not anything new.



Talking about terrorists being branded heroes, this is not the first time. We had it in Dil Se (there was a heroine here instead of a hero); Mission Kashmir; Fiza and a host of other films. True, there will always be the good side to the terrorist, maybe to build up a case of "Well....agreed he's done bad things. But isn't that human?".



And while on the subject of Fanaa, I don't think a majority of the audience would look anywhere beyond the Aamir-Kajol pair.

[parinda]

The control of the extreme right on the State itself.

Not that i like it, but its a popular vote and it should be respected atleast on that parameter. There are 3 states with the extreme left in power (WB, Kerala and Tripura). Does it mean these three states are also dabbling in the idea of a separate country?

The popular vote was not for the Hindu fundamnetalist party BJP to ban a movie it was for carrrying out the genocide of Muslims and Christians and the party is indulging in petty issues like banning a movie by using the official machinery,I think BJP should kill Amir and do justice to the popular fundamentalist vote



long live BJP and its Hindutva terrorists ,if it were not for these kind of petty issues BJP would have not existed at all..



P.S : Whats the BJP's stand about the reservation issue, no concrete policy to please its higher caste superior Hindu vote base , the inferior lower caste hindus never belonged to the BJP.

[WTF??? HP]

The popular vote was not for the Hindu fundamnetalist party BJP to ban a movie

Who told you that the government has banned the movie?

it was for carrrying out the genocide of Muslims and Christians

Its still a popular vote...isn't it? And its your perception that it was for the "genocide". Another point of view, and mind you that this also finds support among muslims in Gujarat, is that the Modi government is one of the best in the last couple of decades in terms of governance.

and the party is indulging in petty issues like banning a movie by using the official machinery,I think BJP should kill Amir and do justice to the popular fundamentalist vote

Well...only your likes can talk about mindless killing. Never expected anymore from you.

long live BJP and its Hindutva terrorists ,if it were not for these kind of petty issues BJP would have not existed at all..

If you feel that petty issues can help make a non-entity into the majority opposition in just two decades, you're insulting the Indian democracy.

P.S : Whats the BJP's stand about the reservation issue, no concrete policy to please its higher caste superior Hindu vote base , the inferior lower caste hindus never belonged to the BJP.

That's something way beyond the topic of discussion. But then, you have this tendency to puke all over town.

[parinda]

Who told you that the government has banned the movie?

Does it have to "Officially" say that , there are two ways of doing things in Hindutva politics and its defenders "official" and "unofficial",not providing protection from the Hindu fanatics in the state is called doing things unofficially, now you will come about saying insulting the gujaratis and all the Hindutva crap which basically tries to confuse nationalism with hegemonial Hindutva..No I am not talking about the majority of the peace loving Gujarati Hindus ,but the Fanatic Hindu minority with in the masses..

Its still a popular vote...isn't it? And its your perception that it was for the "genocide". Another point of view, and mind you that this also finds support among muslims in Gujarat, is that the Modi government is one of the best in the last couple of decades in terms of governance.

The popular vote should be seen in the overall context , no Modi or whatever or whoever your Idol you are talking about being a good administrator(Hindutavadis admiringly mean mrderer) its not Modi or whoever ,its the globalization the pressure from the multinationals to improve the infrastrucutre so as to invest in ,even african countries are developing with a neck breaking pace becuase of that..talk about good governance. by kiliing the minorities , democracy sounds a death knell to the minority if the majority is against it..

Well...only your likes can talk about mindless killing. Never expected anymore from you.

And your ilk (which doesnt even want to assocciate with you) which you admire so vehemently indulges in the genocide of people living along with them becuase they happen to be Muslims.

If you feel that petty issues can help make a non-entity into the majority opposition in just two decades, you're insulting the Indian democracy.

How you go about me voicing an opinion to insulting Indian democarcy is beyond me , but its a classic example of Hindu fundamnetalist thinking which argues presuming that patriotism and all the last resorts of scoundrels being on its side and not to mention the false feeling of condescendere that accompanies it ..

That's something way beyond the topic of discussion. But then, you have this tendency to puke all over town.

Thats very much with in the context ,can BJP dare to ban reservations in its popular vote Gujarat .

[WTF??? HP]

Who told you that the government has banned the movie?

Does it have to "Officially" say that , there are two ways of doing things in Hindutva politics and its defenders "official" and "unofficial",not providing protection from the Hindu fanatics in the state is called doing things unofficially, now you will come about saying insulting the gujaratis and all the Hindutva crap which basically tries to confuse nationalism with hegemonial Hindutva..No I am not talking about the majority of the peace loving Gujarati Hindus ,but the Fanatic Hindu minority with in the masses..

No...I won't make your day by saying any of that. All I would say here is that there is nothing hindu-muslim about the fanaa controversy in Gujarat. Its all to do with the Narmada imbroglio. And when you try to add the hindutvva angle to it, it does nothing more than show your unipolar mindset.

Its still a popular vote...isn't it? And its your perception that it was for the "genocide". Another point of view, and mind you that this also finds support among muslims in Gujarat, is that the Modi government is one of the best in the last couple of decades in terms of governance.

The popular vote should be seen in the overall context , no Modi or whatever or whoever your Idol you are talking about being a good administrator(Hindutavadis admiringly mean mrderer) its not Modi or whoever ,its the globalization the pressure from the multinationals to improve the infrastrucutre so as to invest in ,even african countries are developing with a neck breaking pace becuase of that..talk about good governance. by kiliing the minorities , democracy sounds a death knell to the minority if the majority is against it..

Nincompoop lexicon again. I'll pass. If anyone else can understand this, please reply to him.

Well...only your likes can talk about mindless killing. Never expected anymore from you.

And your ilk (which doesnt even want to assocciate with you) which you admire so vehemently indulges in the genocide of people living along with them becuase they happen to be Muslims.

If I hit you below the belt like that, you'll cringe even in your sleep. So let's stop it here. Don't talk about my ilk.

If you feel that petty issues can help make a non-entity into the majority opposition in just two decades, you're insulting the Indian democracy.

How you go about me voicing an opinion to insulting Indian democarcy is beyond me , but its a classic example of Hindu fundamnetalist thinking which argues presuming that patriotism and all the last resorts of scoundrels being on its side and not to mention the false feeling of condescendere that accompanies it ..

Nincompoop lexicon again.

That's something way beyond the topic of discussion. But then, you have this tendency to puke all over town.

Thats very much with in the context ,can BJP dare to ban reservations in its popular vote Gujarat .

Start a new topic on this and I'll address the issue. But not here.

[Arch]

Ok, just read the review of this movie in FH. I wonder why this movie is not banned in whole of India! A terrorrist being passed of as a hero?

Really! This is Aamir being a terrorist in the movie!, and a hero at that? somehow, I had a lot more respect for him even as a person (projection of aamir by the media? I never got to know him personally, duh !), but, now, I have my doubts after reading what MM had to say about the movie and Aamir being the terrorist in the movie.



What are they trying to prove in the movie? Did they start giving excuses for the terrorist's life and his choices: like being a suicide bomber and killing those innocents because his father beat him? Did they try to project that the terrorist is a human being too? that family therapy will help him be human again? That he is like any other normal man- having a wife, children?



and arent the rapists, the pedophiles, the politicians, the whatever-creeps-they-become, all these are human beings too? they must have had a bad childhood too, so they have a reason too to be making bad choices (yea ! go, therapists, go, you rule the world).



all, in the name of compassion, tolerance and freedom of expression, maybe ?



yes, as HP said, there were other movies too 1 by manisha koirala, 2 by hritik roshan- (best son/husband/father/frnd) and now aamir khan by whom the negative personalities are being humanised/epitomised.

[parinda]

Nincompoop lexicon again. I'll pass. If anyone else can understand this, please reply to him.

And this is nitwit strategy.

[parinda]

now, I have my doubts after reading what MM had to say about the movie and Aamir being the terrorist in the movie.

If you form opinions based on what the paid members of RSS(pracharaks) have to say , then it only shows how easily impressionable and naive you are, or you willing to be manipulated by the Hindu fundamentalists, remember BJP opposes Water , Fanaa etc at the same time supporting Da Vinci Code..smacks of double standards to say the least..I havent seen the movie Fanaa nor do I plan to but opposing it becuase the Actor is a Muslim or the role he plays is a Muslim is unacceptable and has no place modern civilized society.



The same actor was held in high esteem until he played the superior caste(in Hinduism ) Hindu Brahmin in his last movie Mangal Pandu ,but the same actor is being targeted by the Brahminical forces and their pawns becuase he is playing the role of a Muslim now..pathetic is the line of thinking of these Hindutva organizations..

[DQ]

"WTF" proposterous "Ah liliy willy its not the Gujarat government its the distributors."



Is that the line being fed to you or will you come out and do a bit of analysis on your own?



Steps to ease your out:



Step 1

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TOI



BJP Yuva Morcha national general secretary Amit Thaker said multiplexes and cinema halls had already announced the same. Thaker told TOI, "We found Aamir's comments on Narmada very prejudiced and insensitive."



Asked if their ire was directed against Aamir's remarks on the Vadodara riots, Thaker said, “Aamir should realise he is a reel hero and not a real one, so he should not be commenting on sensitive issues.



But the ban on 'Fanaa' is also because of his stand on Narmada."Thaker demanded a public apology from Khan and said that only then would the movie be screened.



The multiplex and the distributors banning it and whos speaking for them "Mr Thaker". If they have imposed the ban how will he allow it to be screened ? Who is he to speak on their behalf?

Oh the hes Mr protector.



The fact -



"Screen the movie and we will strip your family naked and rape your women and burn you alive.' And you know we can do it.....!!!



Earlier multiplex owners had estimated that banning the film would cost Gujarat up to Rs 8 crore in revenue.



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Step 2



People made to travel to neighbouring states to watch the movie. "Utter Sham"



The seven changed to a bus after they started getting worried calls from family and friends saying that they might be beaten up at the railway station. Says Hardik Panchal, one of the seven, ‘‘We started getting worried calls from friends and family saying that we might be beaten up at the railway station, so we changed our plans.’’



With ABVP burning posters, including that of Vadodara NSUI president Rutvij Joshi, and calling the seven traitors of Gujarat, their return was mired in controversy which was further fuelled by the presence of Joshi at Vadodara Railway Station while the seven were leaving on Saturday.



The fact



Oh now people who watch a movie are traitors, ?

"traitors" "traitors' ah if you dont see the world thru our pooh holed lens you are a traitor.



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Step 3



Multiplex owners in Gujarat began efforts to resolve the Fanaa deadlock and have the film released.



With BJP's youth wing saying it was not willing to accept anything short of an apology from Aamir Khan and senior BJP leaders harping on the "anti-Narmada" remarks, worried multiplex owners here on Monday approached the Bollywood actor



Goes on to show how much the multiplex owners want to ban the movie. Or is it another orchestration.



The fact

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Ah when the Gujarat carnage can be highlighted as fight against "traitors" yeh filmi buff kis kheth ki mooli hain.

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[parinda]

To the pawns of BJP and RSS who want us to beleive that its the Multiplex Owners who dont want to show Fanaa in the theatres and not the fanatical and vulgar Hindutva politicians of BJP and RSS



Following is the statemnt from Narmada Bacha Andolan NBA which I believe came awfully late after the actor was targetted by the Hindutva political party BJP.



http://in.rediff.com/movies/2006/may/29fanaa.htm



The Narmada Bachao Andolan has condemned the 'unofficial ban' on Aamir Khan's movie Fanaa in Gujarat, saying that such 'fanaticism and intolerance' in the name of development is unacceptable.



The actor had spoken out in favour of the NBA, which is fighting for the rights of people displaced by the Sardar Sarovar Dam project. Gujarat's ruling Bharatiya Janata Party had demanded an apology, but the actor refused.







Fanaa, which was released nationwide on Friday, remained off theatres in Gujarat after hall owners declined to screen it fearing violence and protests by the BJP's youth wing. 'These kinds of intimidatory tactics are used by Gujarat's politicians out of timidity and intolerance because they realise civil society's strength and support to the NBA, especially that of eminent persons joining us,' an NBA statement said on Monday.





Describing the unofficial boycott as 'fanaticism', it continued: 'This ban is unlawful. As the Censor Board has cleared the film, no political forum can go against it. If it does, legal action may also be initiated.'



The Congress party in Gujarat is also up in arms against Khan after he supported the NBA's demand for a halt in raising the height of the dam until rehabilitation of the displaced people was completed. Supporting the actor, the NBA said, 'We appreciate Aamir Khan's committed position on 'no displacement without rehabilitation' as non-negotiable and his readiness to bear the brunt.'



Incidentally, Amit Thaker, the BJP leader in Ahmedabad leading the movement against Aamir, is facing criminal charges under section 307 of the Criminal Procedure code for attacking NBA activists inside the Gandhi Ashram. The Justice Dave Commission that investigated the violent attacks had also indicted him. Interestingly, it is alleged that the 'anti-Modi' lobby within the BJP in Gujarat is supporting Thaker to "embarrass" Modi who, in a "close-door settlement" had promised Yash Chopra, producer of Fanaa, that his party wouldn't oppose Khan's film. Many observers in Gandhinagar claim that Fanaa has been trapped in the clumsy internal struggle of the state BJP.



The NBA claims it has experienced, 'similar violent outbreaks, mostly instigated by vulgar politics' throughout its 20-year long struggle. 'The attack on the conference on water in Ahmedabad, the harassment and compelled withdrawal of signatures on the memorandum favouring a review of the project, the commission for SCs/STs, the attack during a post-riot peace meeting in Sabharmati Ashram on Medha Patkar and media persons are some of the examples," the statement read.



The NBA also pointed out that, "What Aamir Khan has said is the basic minimum as endorsed by the law and judgments related to Sardar Sarovar for years. Construction of the dam up to 122 metres is indeed illegal, unconstitutional and inhuman, and hence must stopped and questioned."

[CtrlAltDel]

that article ^^^^ u posted and some above it clearly shows that this controversy has no communal angle. why the _ are u bent on creating a hindu-muslim controversy where none exists? are u operating on the orders of yr masters across the border?

[DQ]

Aiyayao !!! Communal angle ka ji. Ek hi query, is it a country within a country.



look at recent trends ji, what a political party wants to do it will do and the moral policing has reached this propotions.



Cant you see over the past few years we have been discussing patriotism and traitorism, an apt example now people who watch this movie are traitors. kaiku ji ?



yeh sub harkata kaiku ? cant you see where this is heading too or will you still see the world through the pooh hole ji.

[CtrlAltDel]

i was replying to parinda. he loves to make anything a communal issue and call everyone who disagrees with him an "RSS Terrorist"

[Mano-a-mano HP]

Aiyayao !!! Communal angle ka ji. Ek hi query, is it a country within a country.

look at recent trends ji, what a political party wants to do it will do and the moral policing has reached this propotions.

Cant you see over the past few years we have been discussing patriotism and traitorism, an apt example now people who watch this movie are traitors. kaiku ji ?

yeh sub harkata kaiku ? cant you see where this is heading too or will you still see the world through the pooh hole ji.

DQ...I do agree that these incidents of moral policing are unfortunate and should be condemned. But answer this question of mine without dodging and with complete honesty. Are such things unseen in states other than Gujarat? Don't we have different levels of moral and political policing in practically all states? We have Operation Majnu in UP. Workers who refuse to support strikes are ostracised in WB. Movie theatres are pelted with stones everytime a controversial movie is released. Why go far? Christian bodies all over the country have threatened dire consequences. Does that mean that all these people are planning to go independent? This is more preposterous than me using WTF in my nickname.



I take strong exception to you calling this a covert plan for independence. That's totally uncalled for and smacks of a deep-rooted bias against the ruling party in the said state. For that matter, I myself am not a BJP supporter. But to be completely honest with you and everyone else here, I did vote BJP in the last elections in Gujarat. And that was because of a lack of even a semblance of a sensible alternative.

[Arch]

Ok, just read the review of this movie in FH. I wonder why this movie is not banned in whole of India! A terrorrist being passed of as a hero?

Really! This is Aamir being a terrorist in the movie!, and a hero at that? somehow, I had a lot more respect for him even as a person (projection of aamir by the media? I never got to know him personally, duh !), but, now, I have my doubts after reading what MM had to say about the movie and Aamir being the terrorist in the movie.

What are they trying to prove in the movie? Did they start giving excuses for the terrorist's life and his choices: like being a suicide bomber and killing those innocents because his father beat him? Did they try to project that the terrorist is a human being too? that family therapy will help him be human again? That he is like any other normal man- having a wife, children?

and arent the rapists, the pedophiles, the politicians, the whatever-creeps-they-become, all these are human beings too? they must have had a bad childhood too, so they have a reason too to be making bad choices (yea ! go, therapists, go, you rule the world).

all, in the name of compassion, tolerance and freedom of expression, maybe ?

yes, as HP said, there were other movies too 1 by manisha koirala, 2 by hritik roshan- (best son/husband/father/frnd) and now aamir khan by whom the negative personalities are being humanised/epitomised.

Read my entire post again, parinda, please?

did you?

now, tell me where did I say that I do not like the movie because aamir is a muslim? Hasnt aamir been a muslim since he joined bollywood? If I were to have been a muslim hater, then I should not have liked aamir, sharukh, dilip kumar, oh well, the whole list.. Incidentally, our family has some very close muslim family frnds for the past several generations, where we go with chacha, chachi, mama, mami etc



cute. huh?



do you? and your family? if yes, good for you.



Somehow, I find it cumbersome to hate somebody for the sheer reason that they belong to a certain religion. Unless, ofcourse, they begin to behave like nuts and so think they either own the enitre world or the entire world owes them an apology from the rest of the religions for whatever happens in some nook of the universe.



I would never hero worship just because its an aamir or an amitabh- inspite of parindas, where the hero in the movie happens to be a terrorist killing even those little 18 year olds who are out there defending 'my' borders for me and my country, while the rest of us are sitting on our fat butts, arguing about that freedom which is being provided and protected by those that are killed in the movies like 'fanaa'.



The movie seems to be epitomising the terrorist, who btw happens to be a muslim both in the movie and in the real world. So? I do not like the theme, so I wont go. I expected aamir to be more proud and sensitive towards those 18year olds who are giving him his freedoms, that was a disappoinment.



Now, these supposed 'sensitive-politically-correct-towards-only-muslims' persons are in actuality doing dis-service to the muslim community by making an issue every time a person says 'muslim' followed by something negative.

[parinda]

Read my entire post again, parinda, please?
did you?
now, tell me where did I say that I do not like the movie because aamir is a muslim?

Probably you should read my post once more before jumping to post something based on your assumptions of what I said, never did I accuse you of not liking Amir because of he being a Muslim, I was only pointing to the fact that BJP RSS and other fundamentalist Hindutva organizations are making it an issue becuase he happens to be a muslim , and I must say a bad one at it(probably that should get him some sympathy from the pawns of BJP and RSS and other fundamentalist Hindu organizations).

[parinda]

that article ^^^^ u posted and some above it clearly shows that this controversy has no communal angle. why the _ are u bent on creating a hindu-muslim controversy where none exists? are u operating on the orders of yr masters across the border?

I am trying to point to the fact that its not the Multiplex owners but the anti socila elements with in Hindu fundamentalist party BJP which have imposed a ban on the movie in India.

[KSK]

Our Country will break into pieces with all this religion crap,cast crap,reservation crap and finally we will go back to 1857,start a fresh,again break based on religion,cast,language(each and every accent like telugu,telangana,kannada,tulu,etc) may be that will bring peace to everybody, so that we will have n number of countries carved out of india based on every possible way to distinguish each other.