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by CtrlAltDel » Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:24 pm

WHY DONT THE MOTHERF*CKERS LEAVE THE POOR PPL ALONE.... :evil:



http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/jan/24shoba.htm



When I entered one of the rows of temporary shelters built for tsunami victims in Pattancherry village in Nagapattinam, I witnessed a minor scuffle in a corner.



Some inmates had surrounded a Christian priest and two nuns, and a war of words was going on.



"We are Hindus and we want to live as Hindus. Why do you want to convert us?" some young men shouted at the missionaries.



The priest said, "We are not here to convert people. We were only offering prayers for your peace of mind."



But flashing some pamphlets distributed among them by the three, the inmates snorted, "What does this mean?"



The priest had no answer.



"Why do you enter our houses and pray?," they asked. "Your nuns do this when our women are alone at home. We know how to pray."



The young men were extremely furious. The priest was unruffled. But the nuns were shaken by the sudden surge of animosity from the muscular men.



The scuffle went on till the three were forced to leave the place.



Day two:



As I was visiting the areas close to the sea that were badly affected by the tsunami waves, I saw another angry scene outside another temple in another village.



Police jeeps were seen parked outside the temple in Samandapettai. So was a van.



Villagers were complaining to the police about a missionary group to which the van belonged.



They said the group had taken away to another place their belongings and the relief they had got from nongovernmental organisations and the government, which they had kept inside the temple, because they refused to listen to its missionaries.



"They want to try their luck at some other place. Since we resisted, they took away our things. We won't allow this to happen," they said. "Why don't you arrest all of them?" the villagers asked the police.



The villagers' torrent of angry words continued. "We have lost everything to the sea. They said they would help us if we followed their religion. What logic is this? Are they here to help us or change our religion?" The police couldn't cool their tempers.



The group said it did not take away the belongings of the villagers and insisted that the contents inside the van belonged to it.



That evening, some villagers came with the news that the police had arrested the priest they had confronted the previous day. Apparently some angry villagers had gheraoed him, and forced the police to arrest him.



"He shouldn't be doing this when we are grieving, when we are suffering. Everything has its time and place," a villager said.



When I wanted to talk to the panchayat president and locals of the Karakkalmedu village at Karaikkal, they called me inside the village temple. That was where they met outsiders. The temple has become the centre of activity in the village.



Before we started talking, one of them opened the door to the sanctum sanctorum and pointed to a mark left by the strong tsunami waves. They told me that water stopped at the feet of their deity and then receded. "We might have suffered, but our Goddess saved us."



This belief had taken the villagers all the more closer to their deity.



"That is why it hurts us when others come and tell us that it was because of our God and our belief that we suffered. We won't let anyone exploit us when we are down," the panchayat members asserted.
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by The Jackal » Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:34 pm

Sad story. :shock: :shock:
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by akhilis2cool » Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:47 pm

This happens every where. not only when a catostrophy happens.There are hundreds of thousands of poor villages that are targetted by these missionaries throughout the year.

Natural disasters are a boom time for them.

However, i do believe not al of them indulge in these acts.
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by 3 T'z » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:23 pm

how insensitive n coldhearted!! :x

weird ppl!! :shock:
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by CtrlAltDel » Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:04 pm

akhilis2cool wrote:i do believe not al of them indulge in these acts.
yeah all christian groups dont do that. only certain US based evangelical sects largely indulge in it.



when i was doing my grad in a small town in karnataka, we heard of a group of missionaries on a conversion drive in a nearby hamlet. we ourself decided to go there n drive them away, but when we reached the place, we saw that the villagers had already beaten n shooed them off (just like the incident mentioned in the rediff article above) :lol:



another time, my friend and i had attended such a conversion program to see what exactly was going on....it was shocking....the way the priests were painting hinduism as a satanic cult and scaring the illiterate ppl about their future unless they accepted Christ! :shock:



they dont realise that they are able to say all that openly coz india is a Hindu majority country. let them do the same in an arab country :evil: (i heard some have tried it in Iraq recently and were driven away!).



PS: i am not against conversion. all have a right to change their religion but out of free will and choice. not this way after being brain washed. this is pure exploitation.
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by Just Another Human » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:02 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:
akhilis2cool wrote:i do believe not al of them indulge in these acts.
yeah all christian groups dont do that. only certain US based evangelical sects largely indulge in it.

when i was doing my grad in a small town in karnataka, we heard of a group of missionaries on a conversion drive in a nearby hamlet. we ourself decided to go there n drive them away, but when we reached the place, we saw that the villagers had already beaten n shooed them off (just like the incident mentioned in the rediff article above) :lol:

another time, my friend and i had attended such a conversion program to see what exactly was going on....it was shocking....the way the priests were painting hinduism as a satanic cult and scaring the illiterate ppl about their future unless they accepted Christ! :shock:

they dont realise that they are able to say all that openly coz india is a Hindu majority country. let them do the same in an arab country :evil: (i heard some have tried it in Iraq recently and were driven away!).

PS: i am not against conversion. all have a right to change their religion but out of free will and choice. not this way after being brain washed. this is pure exploitation.




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by Mayavi Morpheus » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:36 pm

This one throws some light on how things work



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6819471/



For tsunami orphans, a Christian home

Missionary group relocates 300 youngsters

By Alan Cooperman



Updated: 12:11 a.m. ET Jan. 13, 2005A Virginia-based missionary group said this week that it has airlifted 300 "tsunami orphans" from the Muslim province of Banda Aceh to Jakarta, the Indonesian capital, where it plans to raise them in a Christian children's home.





The missionary group, WorldHelp, is one of dozens of Christian, Muslim and Jewish charities providing humanitarian relief to victims of the Dec. 26 earthquake and tsunami that devastated countries around the Indian Ocean, taking more than 150,000 lives.



Most of the religious charities do not attach any conditions to their aid, and many of the larger ones -- such as WorldVision, Catholic Relief Services and Church World Service -- have policies against proselytizing. But a few of the smaller groups have been raising money among evangelical Christians by presenting the tsunami emergency effort as a rare opportunity to make converts in hard-to-reach areas.





"Normally, Banda Aceh is closed to foreigners and closed to the gospel. But, because of this catastrophe, our partners there are earning the right to be heard and providing entrance for the gospel," WorldHelp said in an appeal for funds on its Web site this week.



The appeal said WorldHelp was working with native-born Christians in Indonesia who want to "plant Christian principles as early as possible" in the 300 Muslim children, all younger than 12, who lost their parents in the tsunami.



"These children are homeless, destitute, traumatized, orphaned, with nowhere to go, nowhere to sleep and nothing to eat. If we can place them in a Christian children's home, their faith in Christ could become the foothold to reach the Aceh people," it said.



The Web site was changed, and the appeal was removed yesterday after The Washington Post called to inquire about it. The Rev. Vernon Brewer, president of WorldHelp in Forest, Va., said in a telephone interview that his organization had collected about $70,000 in donations and was seeking to raise an additional $350,000 to build the Christian orphanage.



Brewer said the Indonesian government gave permission for the orphans to be flown to Jakarta last week and was aware that they would be raised as Christians.



'Unclaimed or unwanted'"

These are children who are unclaimed or unwanted. We are not trying to rip them apart from any existing family members and change their culture and change their customs," he said. "These children are going to be raised in a Christian environment. That's no guarantee they will choose to be Christians."



Brewer, a Baptist minister, was the first person to graduate from the Rev. Jerry Falwell's Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., in 1971. He served as a vice president of the Christian university before founding WorldHelp in 1991. It has since grown to 100 full-time employees in the United States and helps to support indigenous Christian missionaries in about 50 countries, he said.



Brewer said WorldHelp is an independent organization but has a friendly, informal relationship with nearby Liberty University, which held a fundraiser at a basketball game Monday night to benefit WorldHelp's tsunami relief projects.



"I think Vernon [Brewer] has got the right approach," Falwell said yesterday. "If Christian ministries can earn the right to be heard -- you don't preach the gospel to a hungry man, you feed him, then if he wants to hear something you've got to say, that's nice, but it's not required."



WorldHelp's primary partners in Indonesia, Brewer said, are Henry and Roy Lanting, a father-son team who run an orphanage and school near Jakarta. Roy Lanting is also a graduate of Liberty University, Brewer said. Efforts to reach the Lantings by telephone and e-mail yesterday were unsuccessful.



'No ulterior motive here'"

First and foremost, our intention is not to evangelize but to show the love of Jesus Christ through our acts of compassion," Brewer said. "We are not using this open window of disaster to move in and set up a beachhead for evangelism. That's not the spirit of what we're trying to accomplish. . . . We just want to show the genuineness of our faith. We have no ulterior motive here."



The Rev. Arthur B. Keys Jr., president of Arlington-based International Relief and Development, a non-religious aid group that has a U.S. government contract to rebuild the water and sanitation system in Banda Aceh, said he feared overt evangelizing could produce a backlash. "I think there's a danger that all international groups could be tarnished by this," said Keys, an ordained minister in the United Church of Christ. "I think we have to go out of our way to assure people that we're there to help, period."



One missionary support group, Advancing Native Missions based in Charlottesville, said it has raised more than $100,000 to pay for distribution of food, water and cooking utensils in Indonesia, Sri Lanka and South India. Its workers often hand out Bibles or other religious tracts along with emergency supplies because disaster victims naturally question the existence of God, spokesman Oliver Asher said.



"It's easy to be an atheist when you have no crisis in your life. But have a 50-foot tidal wave sweep your family and village away, it makes you ponder the big questions in life," he said.



Operation Mobilization USA, based in Tyrone, Ga., has raised about $60,000 to address "both the physical and the spiritual needs" of tsunami victims, according to its vice president for resource development, Douglas R. Barclay.



'Demonstrate God's love'

He said Operation Mobilization, founded in 1957, supports about 3,700 missionaries in 110 countries and moved quickly to provide water, food and medical supplies after the tsunami hit. "In these situations, we're not going to go out and blatantly preach to them, we're just going to demonstrate God's love by addressing their physical needs and sharing our beliefs one on one," he said.



One of the largest and best-known evangelical Christian relief groups is Samaritan's Purse of Boone, N.C., which is headed by the Rev. Franklin Graham, son of evangelist Billy Graham. It sparked international controversy by openly mixing evangelization with its relief work after Hurricane Mitch in Central America in 1998 and the U.S. invasion of Iraq last year. But it has made great efforts to be "sensitive to local concerns" in areas hit by the tsunami, Franklin Graham said.



"It would be inappropriate for us to go in and try to take advantage of these people's tragedy to evangelize," he said.



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by akhilis2cool » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:38 am

I once asked my friends about the various sects in christianity.



He is a Orthodox Christian. According to him its the Protestants, and roman catholics who indulge in conversion. Most of the Christians in India are either protestans or roman catholics who got converted.
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by CtrlAltDel » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:48 am

akhilis2cool wrote:According to him its the Protestants, and roman catholics who indulge in conversion.
if its normal willing conversion all of them do it...but AFAIK, most RCs dont encourage these kinds of exploitative/brainwashing conversions....quite a few Protestant sects do it tho, like the Evangelicals who regularly conduct public meetings where "the blind shall see", "the lame shall walk", "the impotent shall f*ck"...etc etc :roll:
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by akhilis2cool » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:59 am

CtrlAltDel wrote:
akhilis2cool wrote:According to him its the Protestants, and roman catholics who indulge in conversion.
if its normal willing conversion all of them do it...but AFAIK, most RCs dont encourage these kinds of exploitative/brainwashing conversions....quite a few Protestant sects do it tho, like the Evangelicals who regularly conduct public meetings where "the blind shall see", "the lame shall walk", "the impotent shall f*ck"...etc etc :roll:
:lol:

These meets are a big fracas.

they actually pay the sick ppl. to act as if they got cured :x

several poor families who cant afford costly medical treatment take the patients to these meets hoping that something will happen. I heard some of them are asked to convert to christianity and do some prayers in the church.

if the person gets cured then its a miracle. else its gods wish. either way they win.
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by Habitual Perfectionist » Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:32 pm

While travelling to Saidabad Colony the other day, I chanced to pass a huge hoarding at Koti Bus stand. It looked like an advertisement for some band. Since I missed the band name, I asked sadhu baba, who was riding pillion and he said it was a divine band :lol: ie. an evangelist trying a new marketing trick - a concert.



I have similar concerts (on a smaller scale though) in the street I stay in. They'll block an entrance to the street with their pandals and chant hallelujah till midnight. Last time they did that, I gave them the Tyler Treatment (Aerosmith blazing away at full volume). I bet the preacher there was itching to lay his hands on me. :)
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by lizard king » Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:55 am

akhilis2cool wrote:
CtrlAltDel wrote:
akhilis2cool wrote:According to him its the Protestants, and roman catholics who indulge in conversion.
if its normal willing conversion all of them do it...but AFAIK, most RCs dont encourage these kinds of exploitative/brainwashing conversions....quite a few Protestant sects do it tho, like the Evangelicals who regularly conduct public meetings where "the blind shall see", "the lame shall walk", "the impotent shall f*ck"...etc etc :roll:
:lol:
These meets are a big fracas.
they actually pay the sick ppl. to act as if they got cured :x
several poor families who cant afford costly medical treatment take the patients to these meets hoping that something will happen. I heard some of them are asked to convert to christianity and do some prayers in the church.
if the person gets cured then its a miracle. else its gods wish. either way they win.


man, the biggest coversion experts have to be the 7th day adventists , the mormans , the jevoah' s wittness and the southern baptists.
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by Altruist » Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:21 am

If you go over to the outskirts of hyderebad or any city to wards the districts you will see thousands of churches that have sprung up in the villages,and the VHP and RSS are also involved in it ,they only attack muslims who are not converting anybody they dont have the guts to oppose missionaries beacause Uncle Sam is gonna beat the shit of them.. (oh thats so patritotic..),not only that the top brass of sangh parivar is paid huge amounts by these missionaries..
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by Mayavi Morpheus » Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:29 am

Oh why, Christians got their share of of church burnings, priest killings and nun beatings.





they only attack muslims who are not converting anybody they dont have the guts to oppose missionaries beacause Uncle Sam is gonna beat the shit of them.. (oh thats so patritotic..)




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by Mayavi Morpheus » Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:02 am

does anyone watch the 'suvartha, svasthatha mahotsavalu' ? I am a big fan of that program and I used to watch it everytime its on TV, good timepass :lol:
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by black wizard » Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:50 am

Habitual Perfectionist wrote:While travelling to Saidabad Colony the other day, I chanced to pass a huge hoarding at Koti Bus stand. It looked like an advertisement for some band. Since I missed the band name, I asked sadhu baba, who was riding pillion and he said it was a divine band :lol: ie. an evangelist trying a new marketing trick - a concert.

I have similar concerts (on a smaller scale though) in the street I stay in. They'll block an entrance to the street with their pandals and chant hallelujah till midnight. Last time they did that, I gave them the Tyler Treatment (Aerosmith blazing away at full volume). I bet the preacher there was itching to lay his hands on me. :)


Will give you a BURN THE PRIEST cd...awesome stuff...ehehehe...guaranteed to drive em away...or maybe Behemoth's songs... Christians To The Lions and Anti Christian Phenomenon from the album Thelema 666. :P
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by lizard king » Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:54 am

black wizard wrote:
Habitual Perfectionist wrote:While travelling to Saidabad Colony the other day, I chanced to pass a huge hoarding at Koti Bus stand. It looked like an advertisement for some band. Since I missed the band name, I asked sadhu baba, who was riding pillion and he said it was a divine band :lol: ie. an evangelist trying a new marketing trick - a concert.

I have similar concerts (on a smaller scale though) in the street I stay in. They'll block an entrance to the street with their pandals and chant hallelujah till midnight. Last time they did that, I gave them the Tyler Treatment (Aerosmith blazing away at full volume). I bet the preacher there was itching to lay his hands on me. :)

Will give you a BURN THE PRIEST cd...awesome stuff...ehehehe...guaranteed to drive em away...or maybe Behemoth's songs... Christians To The Lions and Anti Christian Phenomenon from the album Thelema 666. :P




guys, looks like we are raking up an anti-christian sentiment here, just chill it
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by Alexis » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:21 am

There should be no derogatory comments made against religions on this site. Im all for freedom of speech, but not when it offends peoples beliefs.
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by CtrlAltDel » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:43 am

hey all....we dont need to add this this 'anti-anything' or 'pro-violent' twist to the discussion plz....
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by Alexis » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:44 am

CtrlAltDel wrote:hey all....we dont need to add this this 'anti-anything' or 'pro-violent' twist to the discussion plz....


I second the notion.
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by lizard king » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:46 am

how about making CAD do a jesus christ pose?

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by Alexis » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:47 am

lizard king wrote:how about making CAD do a jesus christ pose?
U are a god ... are nt ya?


:lol: :lol: You mean at the stake?!
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by kyle » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:49 am

Alexis wrote:
lizard king wrote:how about making CAD do a jesus christ pose?
U are a god ... are nt ya?

:lol: :lol: You mean at the stake?!


u know..... u and i could be one of those cruel jews.
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by CtrlAltDel » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:50 am

this God doent believe in turning the other cheek.....





PS: i am talking abt the face here...:roll:
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by Alexis » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:52 am

CtrlAltDel wrote:this God doent believe in turning the other cheek.....


PS: i am talking abt the face here...:roll:


That was the only cheek I was thinking about anyway. Andy, you underestimate me. Or is it overestimate?
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