They want to take Hyderabad!

[CtrlAltDel]

the follwing is an extract from a Rediff article:



http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/sep/02hafiz.htm



LeT chief wants Hyderabad, Junagarh too



Pakistan's top jihadi leader says the country is incomplete without Kashmir, Junagarh, Hyderabad, and Munabao, and vows to continue the fight to make these states/regions part of Pakistan.

"Pakistan is a country for Muslims of the subcontinent. Therefore, it is incomplete without Kashmir," Hafiz Saeed, founder of the Lashkar-e-Tayiba, declared to the weekly magazine Nida-e-Millat [Voice of the Nation] in an interview published in its edition dated August 18, 2004.

"Pakistan is also incomplete without Hyderabad, Junagarh and Munabao because these [erstwhile princely] states had announced accession with Pakistan, but the Hindus subjugated them," he said. "That is why it is our duty to free these states from Hindu subjugation and assure their Muslim population that they will become part of Pakistan. This is our agenda for Pakistan's completion. We will continue to propagate it in India through speech and writing and take these states back through jihad.'

Nida-e-Millat is owned by Majid Nizami, who is staunchly anti-India.



forget the Iraq crisis guys....brace yourself for some LeT action! the Majlis can help the situation by not sending their women's wing to protest if cops crack down on LeT cadre....



but what else can u expect from those Razakar fu**ers

[Mayavi Morpheus]

mmmm... should I get a new green color passport and change my name to Mayavi Musharraf-eus ??

[Maulana Mayavi Musharrafeus]

Btw, whats with the Majlis and the women wing?

[black wizard]

damn...not again. The scene in Hyderabad is bad. Every other other day a few muslim youth get picked up by the police on charges of conspiring against the govt, being associated with some or the other banned militant outfit. Most of these allegations are baseless and not true. The above article posted by CAD makes it evident that more such events will take place.



These extremists should stop all this."We do this for a cause, for Islam and for our Muslim brothers."...where is your cause? kidnapping, killing, butchering and slaughtering innocent people...is that your cause? Islam preaches tolerance, these people do the exactly the opposite.

[CtrlAltDel]

Every other other day a few muslim youth get picked up by the police on charges of conspiring against the govt, being associated with some or the other banned militant outfit. Most of these allegations are baseless and not true.

...mebbe some are unfounded but protesting without seeing the evidence provided by the cops is not fair. Do the entire muslim community know each and every aira gaira in town and what he does behind the scenes? Its not possible. Why assume automatically that they are innocent? The police wont be so stupid at least now, when Gujju cops are being roasted by the courts and media for their inaction. what evidence the protesters have that those arrested are innocent?

The above article posted by CAD makes it evident that more such events will take place.

yes it might.

Fact 1: LeT and its likes are terrorist organizations run unfortunately by muslims

Fact 2: It follows that they only recruit financially backward or fanatic muslims for their cause.

Fact 3: this makes it impossible for ppl of other religions to get arrested for associating with them....coz they generally aren't.

Fact 4: with a minority friendly congress ruling both center and state, it cannot be expected that the cops wud act recklessly against the innocent just to earn a good name, like Gujju cops did during the Riots.

if BJP govt was ruling there cud at least be a benefit of doubt given to the allegations that those arrested are innocent.

Fact 5: remember the blast in a dilshuknagar temple 2 years ago? those arrested were city muslims with links to LeT. what makes it sure that the groups are not at it again?

These extremists should stop all this."We do this for a cause, for Islam and for our Muslim brothers."...where is your cause? kidnapping, killing, butchering and slaughtering innocent people...is that your cause? Islam preaches tolerance, these people do the exactly the opposite.

sad, but true...but what else can u expect from terrorists?



but the point in my first post is not abt their violence...they actually dared to claim Hyderabad... ...whether they use violence or peaceful means, its immaterial.



see DQ..what your Visionary has done by thinking of joining Pakistan after independence...? and u expect us to praise him to the skies?

[malakpetmasala]

i have a very very blonde idea...

why dont we give them hyderabad in exchange for the whole of pakistan, then start an uprising in hyderabad and claim it back?

awesome.....

[azazel]

wht morons man. when will these ppl understand? saala, because of a small minority of fanatics, the whole community gets the blame! they dun get the fact that no matter where they promote terror, muslims all over the world are looked down upon and end up bearing the burden of guilt and attacks by other groups. A case in point, the Nepalese labourers who were killed by Iraqi abductors resulted in violence against the Nepalese muslims n the torching of the Jama Masjid in Nepal.

[CtrlAltDel]

saala, because of a small minority of fanatics, the whole community gets the blame!

its bad. why dont some one give a Fatwa against the militants, instead of wasting it on writers of boring, dumbass books?

the Nepalese labourers who were killed by Iraqi abductors resulted in violence against the Nepalese muslims n the torching of the Jama Masjid in Nepal.

that was very sad....its is an example of innocents being targetted....what purpose did it serve....????

[azazel]

its bad. why dont some one give a Fatwa against the militants, instead of wasting it on writers of boring, dumbass books?

because, its not tht easy. they have the support of so many clerics n even muslims themselves. in many cases, they're sympathised with rather being condemned for wht they do. the younger generation is being dragged into it by established terrorists by playing on their sentiments which are aroused by the atrocities being suffered by muslims elsewhere.

that was very sad....its is an example of innocents being targetted....what purpose did it serve....????

nothing, except begetting more violence

[CtrlAltDel]

because, its not tht easy. they have the support of so many clerics n even muslims themselves. in many cases, they're sympathised with rather being condemned for wht they do. the younger generation is being dragged into it by established terrorists by playing on their sentiments which are aroused by the atrocities being suffered by muslims elsewhere.

whats the solution for that ^^^? i think its education, jobs and smaller families. if ppl are busy earning money legitimately, their priority changes.



...and why get worked up if cops arrest a few a**h***s who allowed themselves to be dragged into the mess?

[azazel]

i think its education, jobs and smaller families. if ppl are busy earning money legitimately, their priority changes.

not only tht, y do u think young muslims from educated/well-off families esp. from England/Middle-East/India/Pak are entangled in this? the Israel/Palestine conflict, the Russia/Chechnya situation, Afghanistan/U.S , Iraq/U.S wars.. are all factors responsible using which passions are raised, anti-U.S/European sentiments are on an all-time high. there's just no end to this as violence breeds more violence. its a mess out there

and why get worked up if cops arrest a few a**h***s who allowed themselves to be dragged into the mess?

i didnt quite get that

[CtrlAltDel]

its a mess out there

woh tho hai....

and why get worked up if cops arrest a few a**h***s who allowed themselves to be dragged into the mess?

i didnt quite get that

read wizzy's post above n my reply to that...

[azazel]

and why get worked up if cops arrest a few a**h***s who allowed themselves to be dragged into the mess?

oh ok, got it. yea, ppl just take it for granted sometimes n already have their minds made up without even bothering to knw the actual facts behind it!

[rainmaker]

"Pakistan is a country for Muslims of the subcontinent. Therefore, it is incomplete without Kashmir," Hafiz Saeed, founder of the Lashkar-e-Tayiba, declared to the weekly magazine Nida-e-Millat [Voice of the Nation] in an interview published in its edition dated August 18, 2004.

i agree with the Lashkar-e-Tayiba! Pakistan is a country for Muslims of the subcontinent. But India is a country for ALL PEOPLE of the subcontinent -- Hindus, Muslims and Christians alike. With their theory as our basis, we should free Pakistan from the clutches of Musharraf and add 4-5 states to our country

[CtrlAltDel]

we should free Pakistan from the clutches of Musharraf and add 4-5 states to our country

...and have seperatist violence in that part...naa baba...let them kill blow themselves up n go to hell....then we can move in and have a bloodless take-over. the survivors wud be too hungry n weak to care...

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Why doesn't the media do a carpet boycott of such extremist and separatist organisations? The higher their exposure, the higher the probability of some unsuspeting youth getting influenced by their ideology.



And the government could start its own campaign educating the youth about the acctual facts. This needs to be done at the grassroots level and not in a seminar hall or an auditorium. Since this topic is about an "islamic fundamentalist" organisation, let's talk about madrassas. There should be government appointed maulvis - a step that will ensure that the education being provided in madrassas is not inciting in nature. There should be regular advertisements released by the deptt. of information in popular dailies, especially the vernacular media. So many things can be done, but somehow, are not being done.



Hope that things do improve quickly or else, we all know that the result would be unfortunate for humanity.

[azazel]

the media cant let this go, they need stuff to sell papers/make the news channels work. n like the sayin goes: there's no news as bad news! besides, they have their own mediums for propaganda..



abt the Govt. laying the groundwork for improving things, i'd like to see tht happen too. Madarrsaas have garnered a bad reputation with again, a minority being responsible for the insanity! its a religious entity with the sole purpose of educating young ppl abt religion n thts all. unfortunately, they've begotten the impression of producing brain-washed fanatics!



i second tht message

[dq]

forget the Iraq crisis guys....brace yourself for some LeT action! the Majlis can help the situation by not sending their women's wing to protest if cops crack down on LeT cadre....

YOu quote an extremist before calling upon people to forget Iraq ?
Why should Iraq be forgotten ?
So the atrocities in Iraq are justified and should be forgotten, because there is some extremist mullah in pakistan ?

but the point in my first post is not abt their violence...they actually dared to claim Hyderabad... ...whether they use violence or peaceful means, its immaterial.

If your concern was only Hyderabad, why do you start of with forget Iraq ?

but what else can u expect from those Razakar fu**ers

What are you trying to prove here ?

Are you suggesting that Democratic Independant India legitimsed the Razakar movement ?

...mebbe some are unfounded but protesting without seeing the "evidence provided by the cops is not fair. Do the entire muslim community know each and every aira gaira in town and what he does behind the scenes? Its not possible. Why assume automatically that they are innocent? The police wont be so stupid at least now, when Gujju cops are being roasted by the courts and media for their inaction. what evidence the protesters have that those arrested are innocent?

I am not defending the Majalis activists, but such actions have become important. Why ?
If a hullaboo is not raised, another 13 people can get killed in encounters.

Fact 5: remember the blast in a dilshuknagar temple 2 years ago? those arrested were city muslims with links to LeT. what makes it sure that the groups are not at it again?

Good that you remember this. To date the police have not come up with any solid proof that the two people killed in encounters were linked to LET.

First person killed, Azam of Rein bazaar (Yakuthpura)

Press Release :
The police killed Azam who is believed to be the key player in the bomb blast at the temple in Dilsukhnagar. The police arrested azam in the morning when he is driving on a motor-cycle without a number plate. After interrogation the police found that azam is a member of the Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorist group and was trained in Pakistan. Azam agreed that he kept the bomb in the scooter and showed the place where he has hidden the weapons. He was killed when he opened fire at the police.

Questions raised here ?
When police had aprehended him and interrogated, from where did he find the weapon to fire at them.

Police reply : As soon as the police party along with Azam reached the spot, the ultra, while pretending to take out explosives hidden in bushes, whipped out his revolver and fired on the police personnel who retaliated killing him on the spot, he said. The US-made revolver was recovered.
During his interrogation earlier, police claimed Azam, 32, confessed that he alongwith Mohammad Imran alias Azeez had planted the time bomb in the scooter at a parking lot near the temple. http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/02nov24/national.htm#1


So the police took him without handcuffs ?
The police let him dig out the weapons, instead of digging them selves ?

Families report : Azam had gone out after Sehar to the local mosque to read morning prayers, did not return. The wife said that Azam had started ready made garment business after returning from gulf.

After the families report was out, city police came back with a 15 year old report against Azam suggesting that he was an anti social and a threat to society. He had escaped to gulf and had come back trained ???


After interogatting Why couldn't they keep him alive to unearth the complete LET activities in India ???


Second person killed,
Press release : Another person involved in the Bomb blast at the Shirid Sai Mandir in Dilsukhnagar in Hyderabad was killed in an encounter at Karimnagar. Syyed Ajij Alias Imran alias Khaleed, aged 25 who is a member of the Laskher-e-Toiba is the in-charge of the militant activities in South India. Khaleed was found going on cycle and was found by SI Krishna Reddy who immediate doubted and tried to take Khaleed into custody. Khaleed left the cycle and began to run. Having no alternative to the SI, he opened fire.

So a terrorist had commited a crime and within a week was cycling around town ? And again why was he not apprehended ?

Activities such as these my friend have made the Majalis stronger, cause thats the only party who atleast are listening or taking up the cause of the people.

If parties like Majalis too do not give these people a hearing and a base to voice thier concerns then we are opening larger recruitment grounds for organisations such as LET.

Fact 1: LeT and its likes are terrorist organizations run unfortunately by muslims

Fact 2: It follows that they only recruit financially backward or fanatic muslims for their cause.

Fact 3: this makes it impossible for ppl of other religions to get arrested for associating with them....coz they generally aren't.

Fact 4: with a minority friendly congress ruling both center and state, it cannot be expected that the cops wud act recklessly against the innocent just to earn a good name, like Gujju cops did during the Riots.

if BJP govt was ruling there cud at least be a benefit of doubt given to the allegations that those arrested are innocent.

True but all your above statements do not prove that the arrested are guilty, and the family members of the people concerned have the right to seek a reply.



LET action, yes the likes of LEt are a growing threat and it needs to be addressed at the grassroots, as suggested By habitual perfectionist.



Addressing at the grassroots level does not mean, elminating every body you suspect ?

[Habitual Perfectionist]

True but all your above statements do not prove that the arrested are guilty, and the family members of the people concerned have the right to seek a reply.

So does it mean they are innocent? Let the judiciary get a chance for their take on this. Let's not argue that the protesters have a right to create such unruly scenes just because their families are being targetted. There are other ways of protesting too.

LET action, yes the likes of LEt are a growing threat and it needs to be addressed at the grassroots, as suggested By habitual perfectionist.

Addressing at the grassroots level does not mean, elminating every body you suspect ?

I clearly specified what I meant by addressing the issue at a grassroots level. And nowhere did I mention eliminating anyone. Go get your eyes checked.

[azazel]

Addressing at the grassroots level does not mean, elminating every body you suspect ?

I clearly specified what I meant by addressing the issue at a grassroots level. And nowhere did I mention eliminating anyone. Go get your eyes checked.

i dun think he posed tht Q to u specifically.



As u said, get the judiciary to decide whether a person is guilty or not. But, in the case of encounters, there's no chance of tht happenin..is it?

[rabbithole]

forget the Iraq crisis guys....brace yourself for some LeT action! the Majlis can help the situation by not sending their women's wing to protest if cops crack down on LeT cadre....

YOu quote an extremist before calling upon people to forget Iraq ?
Why should Iraq be forgotten ?
So the atrocities in Iraq are justified and should be forgotten, because there is some extremist mullah in pakistan ?

but the point in my first post is not abt their violence...they actually dared to claim Hyderabad... ...whether they use violence or peaceful means, its immaterial.

If your concern was only Hyderabad, why do you start of with forget Iraq ?

CAD prolly meant that we got danger lurking lot closer...hyderabad is a priority for us rather iraq...that does'nt mean we dont care abt iraq...DQ seems to have misunderstood CAD's post

[Habitual Perfectionist]

True...there's no chance of judiciary getting that chance in terms of encounters but the judiciary can always set examples to dissuade police officers from encounters. Bring out amendments in the CrPC to make police officers responsible for lives lost in encounters. Injuring a person is enough to stop him/her from attacking the police.



There is a solution to all problems if the right steps are taken.

[azazel]

There is a solution to all problems if the right steps are taken.

the big Q is, who's willing to walk the talk? everyone in every dept. is just eager to maintain status-quo, noone is actually up for change!

[akhilis2cool]

There is a solution to all problems if the right steps are taken.

the big Q is, who's willing to walk the talk? everyone in every dept. is just eager to maintain status-quo, noone is actually up for change!

i think we can expect the indian judiciary to come up with the goods....

[asli_badmash]

Let me ask you a simple question… How did you react when Bal Thakray said "All Muslims in India should go to Pakistan!"… you were indifferent to the MATWA(Marathi FATWA)… heck you even called Bal Thakray insane. When a VHP leader raised the slogan during the Gujrat riots to "Kill all Muslims in all parts of India"… we thought this guy ought to be hanged in the name of secularism. But when Hafiz Saeed, founder of the Lashkar-e-Tayiba, said that they would not rest till Hyderabad is a part of Pakistan. What do you rhink we ought to do?



What you have to realize is... be it Bal Thakray or VHP leaders or Hafiz Saaed, saying such things puts food on their plate. If they stop saying such things people(dumb people) would not fund them or vote for them. So these people will say such outrageous things for power, money and personal gain.



I was pissed when I read the report that this jack-ass from Pakistan wants Hyderabad to be a part of Pakistan. emotions apart I thought he was nuts. I could only pity him for his foolishness.



Then I though of a hyderabadi saying; Kutton ka kaam hain bhokna... haation ka kaam hai chalna...



I want to comment on the CAD FACTS... I would call them opinions rather than facts.

Fact 1: LeT and its likes are terrorist organizations run unfortunately by muslims

... run by Muslims?? What kind of Muslims?? Not all Muslims!!

FYI, Find out
- about the fanatic sub-sects in Islam to which almost all the terrorist groups in Pakistan belong. (PM me for the names, I don't want to hurt feelings here by naming them)
- about how Saudi Arabs are funding terrorists in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Philippines and other parts of the world.

After reading material about these topics… you decide if all Muslims are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.

When Thakray or VHP people make derogatory statements against Indian Muslims, Do Muslims call all Hindus terrorists. No... so why make all muslims terrorists when some dude sitting in pakistan says some thing stupid. When you say terrorist organizations are being run my muslims. You also have to qualify which type of muslims!

Fact 2: It follows that they only recruit financially backward or fanatic muslims for their cause.

Not true... people who blew up the twin towers were educated and well to do families.

Fact 3: this makes it impossible for ppl of other religions to get arrested for associating with them....coz they generally aren't.

I hope so... I also read...

Incident - The hijack of Indian Airlines from Nepal.
Enquiry - During inquiry it was found that some local Nepali people had helped the hijackers smuggle weapons on board.

Incident - Bali bombing
Enquiry - Inquiry revealed non muslim people who were involved in the bombing operation though at a smaller scale.

Money and power is the religion of the Terrorists. They aren't Muslims/ Christians/ Jews/ Hindus.

Fact 4: with a minority friendly congress ruling both center and state, it cannot be expected that the cops wud act recklessly against the innocent just to earn a good name, like Gujju cops did during the Riots.

Gujju cops who played a part in the riot are being targeted, not all gujju cops… justice needs to prevail. An enquiry in Gujrat in no ways means that the police officials in all states have suddenly developed a conscience. There will always be good cops and bad cops.

Fact 5: remember the blast in a dilshuknagar temple 2 years ago? those arrested were city muslims with links to LeT. what makes it sure that the groups are not at it again?

I hope it is that! The guilty should be convicted.