Taking Relegion too Seriously

[Dedh_Quintal]

Que from CAD: Negative of taking relegion too seriously.



I guess relegion needs to be taken seriously. The shift in recent years and the innumerous deaths are caused due to not taking relegion seriously.



Yes the other factor is taking it wrongly or misinterpreting it, which is bad, bad and bad.



Following it seriously will keep people away from vices.



-----What do ya say----

[malakpetmasala]

Que from CAD: Negative of taking relegion too seriously.

I guess relegion needs to be taken seriously. The shift in recent years and the innumerous deaths are caused due to not taking relegion seriously.

Yes the other factor is taking it wrongly or misinterpreting it, which is bad, bad and bad.

Following it seriously will keep people away from vices.

-----What do ya say----

and what is the right interpretation of religion?

[Mayavi Morpheus]

em chestam, khandistam!

[CtrlAltDel]

who is to say what is the correct interpretation? wud Osama believe that his interpretation is wrong? ppl interpret religion wrongly only coz they take it too seriously and literally (letter v/s spirit).



i am not saying ppl shud be athiests. they shud stop allowing religion to rule over daily life. religion wont feed anybody unless they are politicians or religious leaders.



say yr prayers, believe in god at home but outside think rationaly and let yr brain rule.



most of the "hate" relies on religious sanction, interpreted rightly or wrongly. leave religion to the religious heads and concentrate on providing for your family and leading life without hurting anyone.



this is what i follow personally and i am happy to say that i dont hate anybody for any irrational reason or face any problems.

[DQ]

say yr prayers, believe in god at home but outside think rationaly and let yr brain rule.

And which relegion says don't let your brains. This indefference to relegion has led to the current state of affairs my friend.



Does letting your brains rule mean.



1. Abusing others ??

2. Back biting, bitching ??

3. Drug abuse, Alcholol abuse, Problem Gambling ???

4. Porn, Same Sex ??

5. Scaming, duping cheating.

6. Lying to the extent that 10 & 1000s are killed

[malakpetmasala]

who is to say what is the correct interpretation? wud Osama believe that his interpretation is wrong? ppl interpret religion wrongly only coz they take it too seriously and literally (letter v/s spirit).

i am not saying ppl shud be athiests. they shud stop allowing religion to rule over daily life. religion wont feed anybody unless they are politicians or religious leaders.

say yr prayers, believe in god at home but outside think rationaly and let yr brain rule.

most of the "hate" relies on religious sanction, interpreted rightly or wrongly. leave religion to the religious heads and concentrate on providing for your family and leading life without hurting anyone.

this is what i follow personally and i am happy to say that i dont hate anybody for any irrational reason or face any problems.

u seem to be a wise man. i like u.

[CtrlAltDel]

say yr prayers, believe in god at home but outside think rationaly and let yr brain rule.

And which relegion says don't let your brains. This indefference to relegion has led to the current state of affairs my friend.

Does letting your brains rule mean.

1. Abusing others ??
2. Back biting, bitching ??
3. Drug abuse, Alcholol abuse, Problem Gambling ???
4. Porn, Same Sex ??
5. Scaming, duping cheating.
6. Lying to the extent that 10 & 1000s are killed

this ^^^ is called selective interpretation, my friend, the coz of all problems...!

u have ignored my other statement and chose to quote me out of context. i also wrote :

leave religion to the religious heads and concentrate on providing for your family and leading life without hurting anyone.

...and abt "same sex" u think it is wrong coz religion says so. but its an entirely natural state. u cant dispute that. if u think rationaly u wont hate gays.

[CtrlAltDel]

u seem to be a wise man. i like u.

thanQ...

[malakpetmasala]

lets not get into the topics of religion faith and god.

[DQ]

...and abt "same sex" u think it is wrong coz religion says so. but its an entirely natural state. u cant dispute that. if u think rationaly u wont hate gays.

True who is talking about hurting.



Which relegion talks about hurting ?



Who is talking about hating Gays ? When there is no place for them in relegion there is no place, why are they fighting to find a place there?



All world relegions ban it, the call from Gay activists to be a part of relegion is irrational my friend. If they feel its natural, they can go about forming their own whatever (maybe relegion) but why are they trying to fight thier way in.



Protecting your own right does not mean Hating.

[CtrlAltDel]

lets not get into the topics of religion faith and god.

no topic shud be taboo unless it leads to disharmony here. a healthy discussion on religion shud be ok.



more over this thread does not discuss any religion specifically...

[azazel]

lets not get into the topics of religion faith and god.

my sentiments exactly.

on a personal note: i do take my religious beliefs seriously.

[malakpetmasala]

...and abt "same sex" u think it is wrong coz religion says so. but its an entirely natural state. u cant dispute that. if u think rationaly u wont hate gays.

True who is talking about hurting.

Which relegion talks about hurting ?

Who is talking about hating Gays ? When there is no place for them in relegion there is no place, why are they fighting to find a place there?

All world relegions ban it, the call from Gay activists to be a part of relegion is irrational my friend. If they feel its natural, they can go about forming their own whatever (maybe relegion) but why are they trying to fight thier way in.

Protecting your own right does not mean Hating.

my friend, there were gay people even before a few of the most popular (number wise) modern day religions even came to called religions or even knew the concept of god.

[CtrlAltDel]

Who is talking about hating Gays ? When there is no place for them in relegion there is no place, why are they fighting to find a place there?

point taken.

u included it in your "list", so i thot u r anti-gay.



a spin-off...dont u think religions should evolve with time and not stay static?

[Kenny]

When there is no place for them in relegion there is no place, why are they fighting to find a place there?

All world relegions ban it, the call from Gay activists to be a part of relegion is irrational my friend. If they feel its natural, they can go about forming their own whatever (maybe religion) but why are they trying to fight their way in.

are they

[DQ]

Who is talking about hating Gays ? When there is no place for them in relegion there is no place, why are they fighting to find a place there?

point taken.
u included it in your "list", so i thot u r anti-gay.

a spin-off...dont u think religions should evolve with time and not stay static?

If you follow world relegions, none of them is static.



Relegions are a way of life, and that is why human beings should revolve around them.



Whatever you do, see if it is in accordance to your relegion.



Relegions prohibit telling lies --- Do not tell a lie.



If no one lied, would there be any discord, scams.



Relegions say do not cheat -- Don't cheat

How many lives are destroyed when some one cheats.



Relegions suggest Do not opress. -- Don't oppress

Opression is the cause of so much blood shed.



Build your world around relegion then you will live in a perfect world. If you try to evolve relegion according to your whims and fancies you get into a state where we are today ?

[CtrlAltDel]

When there is no place for them in relegion there is no place, why are they fighting to find a place there?

All world relegions ban it, the call from Gay activists to be a part of relegion is irrational my friend. If they feel its natural, they can go about forming their own whatever (maybe religion) but why are they trying to fight their way in.

are they

i think he is talking about gays wanting to get into the church...that depends on how the followers of that church react. but it shud be no reason to hate gays just coz they are that way.

[DQ]

When there is no place for them in relegion there is no place, why are they fighting to find a place there?

All world relegions ban it, the call from Gay activists to be a part of relegion is irrational my friend. If they feel its natural, they can go about forming their own whatever (maybe religion) but why are they trying to fight their way in.

are they

Find out.



Demand for legalisation of Same sex marriages.

Organisation in India to get equal rights for gays.

The Muslim Lesbian organisation of North America.



Find out....

[malakpetmasala]

what if my religion says something and ur religion says something else.



can we go to war then????? pliss.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Is there any relation between ones faith and ones sexual orientation?

A followers sexual orientation is none of the church's business.

AFAIK, its the government that doesnt recognize gay marriages and not the church. There is a clear seperation between church and state in most of the countries except Islamic countries and Israel and Nepal (Jewish and Hindu respectively)

[malakpetmasala]

Is there any relation between ones faith and ones sexual orientation?
A followers sexual orientation is none of the church's business.
AFAIK, its the government that doesnt recognize gay marriages and not the church. There is a clear seperation between church and state in most of the countries except Islamic countries and Israel and Nepal (Jewish and Hindu respectively)

but did nt homosexuals make peace with god in one of the story books?

then god waved the raainbow as a symbol of peace. was a nice story to read.

[CtrlAltDel]

Build your world around relegion then you will live in a perfect world. If you try to evolve relegion according to your whims and fancies you get into a state where we are today ?

u r right...but are the people following their religion to the spirit? are there any powerful religious leaders who can correct those who stray?



people like to take the easier route and follow only the letter written in religious texts. who bothers to read n understand.



lets talk about Al Qeada. if they followed exactly what Islam teaches, wud they be as they are now? they are interpreting it to their own requirement and no one is powerful enough to convince them that they are wrong. in fact they are that way coz they have been taught that by religious teachers.



an ordinary man of any religion is more bothered about earning his salary. that does not mean he isnt following religion, its just that his priorities are different. this should be encouraged by religious leaders.



about evolving, all religions have something or the other that wont suit the present conditions. those points should be revised. in this aspect, nothing should be treated as taboo.



for example, Hinduism frowns on widow remarriage. but now its socially accepted and encouraged by many hindus themselves. this is an example of "evolving". no one bothers abt what the original rule said.



i am sure all religions have such out-dated ideas that can be discarded. thsi is what is meant by evolve.

[CtrlAltDel]

Demand for legalisation of Same sex marriages.
Organisation in India to get equal rights for gays.

whats wrong in that? whats it got to do with religion?

The Muslim Lesbian organisation of North America.

if this is to do with religion, then it should be debated by competent ppl, but if its just a society of muslim lesbians...so what?

[DQ]

Build your world around relegion then you will live in a perfect world. If you try to evolve relegion according to your whims and fancies you get into a state where we are today ?

u r right...but are the people following their religion to the spirit? are there any powerful religious leaders who can correct those who stray?

This argument started where you suggested "Do not Take relegion seriously". My point was not taking it seriously has led to the current state.

Indiference of like minded and open people like your self (Not me I have been named Bigot, Mullah etc etc..) Helps in Al Qaida etc etc take predence.

lets talk about Al Qeada. if they followed exactly what Islam teaches, wud they be as they are now? they are interpreting it to their own requirement and no one is powerful enough to convince them that they are wrong. in fact they are that way coz they have been taught that by religious teachers.

There again we err, if you follow Al Qaida, its a complete political process and has nothing to do with relegion at all.
The world powers invested time and energy, to build AL Qaida and its thought process. Muslims were suffering under this thought process(infiltration) for atleast the past 2 decades, the world is facing them now.

an ordinary man of any religion is more bothered about earning his salary. that does not mean he isnt following religion, its just that his priorities are different. this should be encouraged by religious leaders.

Exactly, people shoud be wary who relegious leaders are are and who politicians are. If you make Politicians YOUR relegious leader, you will get his version of relegion.

about evolving, all religions have something or the other that wont suit the present conditions. those points should be revised. in this aspect, nothing should be treated as taboo.

I would have asked like waht and you continue citing this example.

for example, Hinduism frowns on widow remarriage. but now its socially accepted and encouraged by many hindus themselves. this is an example of "evolving". no one bothers abt what the original rule said.

Hinduism does not frown on re marriage at all, it again was a political scenario. I have never heard from any hindu scholar that Widow re marriage is a taboo.

i am sure all religions have such out-dated ideas that can be discarded. thsi is what is meant by evolve.

Now i will have to ask you as to what ?

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Good post cad.



My two cents:

Why should we base our life on a 'code of conduct' book written 100's and 1000's of years ago by people who donot have the faintest idea of how life in 21st century would be with all the scientific and technological development?



The moral teachings part is ok. It does not and should not change with time, but other things do change and the followers should retain only those teaching which are applicable to the modern world.



I dont know with what intention Manu in Manu smriti divided human beings into four different varnas. People have misinterpreted it leaving us with a social ill called caste system. Should I blindly believe in it and practice caste discrimination? No sire. Its scientifically proven beyond any doubt that all races - black, white, brown and yellow - are same and all castes are same. No one human is racially superior to other. Throw that caste system down the drain.



Take for example Sharia law, the version practiced in Afghanistan. Anyone with half a brain would understand that Sharia cannot be applied to the fast paced lives of a 21st century country. It takes the country to rock ages and civilization wont progess.