How true is this about the Taj Mahal?

by **Truth_seeker** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:59 am

The Mogul Emperor Shah Jahan in the memory of his wife
Mumtaz Mahal built the Taj Mahal. It was built in 22 years (1631
to 1653) by 20,000 artisans brought to India from all
over the world. Any people believe Ustad Isa of iran designed it.
This is what your guide probably told you if you ever visited the
Taj Mahal. This is the story I read in my history book as a
student.
In India. no one has ever challenged it except Professor P.N.Oak,
who believes that the whole world has been duped. In his book
TajMahal: The True Story,Oak says the Taj Mahal is not Queen
MumtazMahal\'s tomb but an ancient Hindu temple palace of Lord
Shiva (then known as Tejo Mahalaya). In the course of his
research, Oak discovered the Shiva temple palace was usurped by
Shah Jahan from then Maharaja
of Jaipur, Jai Singh. ShahJahan then remodeled the palace
into his wife\'s memorial. In his own Court chronicle, Badshahnama,
ShahJahan admits that an exceptionally beautiful grand mansion in
Agra was taken from JaiSingh for Mumtaz\'s burial. The ex-Maharaja
of Jaipur still retains in his secret collection two orders from
Shah Jahan for surrendering the Taj building. Using captured
temples and mansions, as a burial place for dead courtiers and
royalty was a common practice among Muslim rulers. For example,
Humayun, Akbar,Etmud-ud-Daula and Safdarjung are all
buried in such mansions. Not occuring in any Moghul court papers
orchronicles, even after ShahJahan\'s time. The term \"Mahal\" has
never been used for a building in any of the Muslim countries,
from Afghanistan to Algeria.

\"The unusual explanation that the term Taj Mahal derives from
Mumtaz Mahal is illogical in at least two respects.

First, her name was never Mumtaz Mahal but Mumtaz-ul-Zamani\" he
writes.
\"Second, one cannot omit the first three letters \'Mum\'
from a woman\'s name to derive the remainder as the name for the
building.\"

Taj Mahal, he claims, is a corrupt version of Tejo-Mahalaya, or
the Shiva\'s Palace.

Oak also says the love story of Mumtaz and Shah Jahan
is a fairy tale created court sycophants, blundering
historians and sloppy archaeologists.

Not a single royal chronicle of ShahJahan\'s time
corroborates the love story.

Furthermore, Oak cites several documents suggesting
the Taj Mahal predates Shah Jahan\'s era, and was a
temple palace dedicated to Shiva worshipped by the Rajputs of Agra
city. For example, Professor Marvin Miller of
NewYork took a few samples from the riverside doorway of the Taj.
Carbon dating tests revealed that the door was 300
years older than ShahJahan.

European traveler Johan Albert Mandelslo, who visited
Agra in 1638(only seven years after Mumtaz\'s death),
describes the life of the city in his memoirs. But he
makes no reference to the TajMahal being built.

The writings of Peter Mundy, an English visitor to
Agra within a year of Mumtaz\'s death, also suggest the
Taj was a noteworthy building long well before Shah
Jahan\'s time.

Oak points out a number of design and architectural
inconsistencies that support the belief of the Taj
Mahal being a typical Hindu temple rather than a
mausoleum.

Many rooms in the Taj Mahal have remained sealed
since Shah Jahan\'s time,and are still inaccessible to the public. Oak asserts they contain a headless statue of
Shiva and other objects commonly used for worship rituals in
Hindu temples.

Fearing political backlash, Indira Gandhi\'s government tried to
have Oak\'s book withdrawn from the bookstores, and threatened the
Indian publisher of the first edition with dire consequences. Was Taj Mahal also not a original???please share your information, if any one knows more things about this?

by **Nyx!** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 12:32 pm

Hi truthseeker.. well, i heard about this, but i thought its only brouhaha over nothing. Thought it was a thing to disturb the secular structure a bit more, but after reading ur stuff, i think i shud think about it again.. cuz u r giving some very hard facts about it.. so lemme just check over it and get back to you.

by **Khatta** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 2:09 pm

This is crazy! Now why don\'t you say that this Taj Mahal place was originally a RAM JANMABHOOMI? And destroy it and construct a temple there? Things like this are creating problems in this country. Stop posting this type of nonsense boards. Everybody knows the history of Taj Mahal, don\'t try to create such new histories.

by **Truth_seeker** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 2:38 pm

Khatta Bhai, why should one destroy a wonder of the world-\"taj mahal\"....no, matter what it is , who built it originally, it remains as one of the prides of India.
i put up that article as it was rather interesting to read and nothing else....no hard feelings or what so ever!

by **Khatta** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 2:55 pm

Maafi Cahtahoon Bhai, I really appoligize. Actually, It was my mistake talking like that. Insh. I wont repeat that again. Forgive me.

by **peeping tom** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 12:54 pm

first all must go through these net pages as follows....http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/m ... oak.html... I will meet u people shortly.

by **peeping tom** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 1:23 pm

http://www.historyofindia.com/flash/index.html...try this also

by **peeping tom** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 1:54 pm

yes Taj mahal was earlier an Rajput palace...please go through the net pages...http://www.historyofindia.com/flash/index.html

by **Truth_seeker** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 1:55 pm

hi peeping tom, i just happend to see that and put the same .....it is rather looking unfortunate even to read about the history of India.
One person is always trying to humiliate the other by hurting them deeply, in the monarchial days it was the turn of the those authoritarian rulers to plunder the teples and unfortunately in the modern times it still is contnuing...
but i still did not understand as to why Katta bhai raised the issue of Ram janm bhoomi here ,as long as people dont rise above there emotions, these feelings will continue for long time...any way, i never liked the monarchial regimes...i hope the future Indians atleast will stop feeling religios emotions

by **Truth_seeker** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 1:59 pm

dear khatta, no need to appologize , i can understand your feelings, i only request you not to get emotional, afterall when one billion people are living toghether, we should try respect each other , for a better living!

by **peeping tom** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:10 pm

Hi Mr Truth here is another web site supporting you.http://maxpages.com/hindurashtra/REAL_H ... F_TAJMAHAL

by **peeping tom** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:21 pm

another web site supporting you.....http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lo ... main1.html

by **Khatta** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:56 pm

hi..Truth_seeker bhai, I dont have any Hard Feelings for any religion. Instead when I read this sentence my mood was totally Off \"The Taj Mahal is not Queen Mumtaz Mahal\'s tomb but an ancient Hindu temple palace of Lord Shiva\", Actually some kameenay\'s are trying to confuse minds of country\'s people, by posting such non-sense information on net, in various sites, As we all know the fact, what history is. No hard feelings again.

by **Khatta** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 3:02 pm

Mr. Administrator, Mr. Administrator, Thanks for correcting me. What an cllllassssiccccc work, I have just noticed. Keep it up you are doing a great job by modifying just the words on this board:-)))

by **kanta rao** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 3:31 pm

why are we fighting over whether its a hindu temple or a muslim masoleum?we should be glad that whover has bulit it had the idea to build it here in india!!!lets be proud of our national treasures like the taj...and yes we should be glad that such beautiful monumnets have withstood the passage of time for a whole lot of future generations to see..i dunno if we will be able to build something as huge as the taj and still so beautiful using the present day technologies...

by **peeping tom** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 3:57 pm

lets end this topic today itself.

by **Shaad-Aabaad** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 7:40 pm

What an irony! Right above this thread there is one glorifying Indians\' achievements and here in this thread, Indians are bickering over an ancient monument. C\'mon guys don\'t beleive such nonsense..understand the real motive of those who propagate these ideas (and i am not talking about truth_seeker) I think most people here are literate, educated ones. And I always used to think such silly trivia is only used to imbibe hatred into the minds of the illiterate....I guess I was mistaken.

by **TruthSeeker** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:53 pm

khatta..what happend?tell us

by **BAN_ME** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 9:26 am

shaad abaad, what makes you think that the above posted messages are nothing but silly trivia, it is histroy and you are feeling so elated about the indian inventions 5000 years ago, try to see what happend just 400 years ago and why do you feel bad about it even if the above said about Taj were true, Muslim rulers were known for there attrocities afterall... NO BODY HERE WANTS THE NAME \"TAJ\" TO BE CHANGED OR WHAT SO EVER....BUT PEOPLE IN INDIA SHOULD REALISE AND KNOW THE CORRESCT HISTORY.....ya some things will make you feel proud like Indian achievements in USA, and some things should make u and us feel ashamed as to how the people especially the hindus in the past were humiliated...if you have enuff brains, try learn the proper lesson from it....

by **Shaad-Aabaad** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 11:50 am

<br>Dude...why are you guys bringing up these things from the dead now? And why suddenly, like a bolt from the blue, you have been brainwashed that the Taj Mahal was a Shiv-Mandir?!! The demolition of the Babri Masjid has given India enough heart burns to last for a lifetime...YOU be sensible and see the fallout of that act—the repercussions still continue. Why do you want that thing to be repeated? Yes, the invaders that plundered India 400-500 years ago were just that----invaders. You want your pound of flesh for that now? In the 21st century???! You must be joking! You know what? What if before it was a Shiv Mandir say 800 years back it was a Masjid and some XYZ plunderer brought it down and built a Mandir. What do I do then? You know we could go and on with this--you tear a Masjid and make it a Mandir. I\'ll tear the Mandir and make a Masjid..fine? We\'ll be doing it for years while the whole world including our enemies make fun of us..On one side, Indians are striving hard to bring glory to us and to help us assume the status of a technology power-house. And then there are incidents which if not condemned and stopped will surely drag us back into the age of Invaders and Plunderers.

<br>The only people who will gain from taking India back to pre-historic times, are the power-hungry politicians. They will do ANYTHING to be in power and it is in their best interest to keep us all divided. Wouldn’t it make more sense, my friend, if you and I, instead of hunting for skeletons in the cupboard, get together and remove this sense of mistrust and intolerance amongst us, that has been created by such vested interests? And together help build a strong and united India—where its entire people can live in peace, harmony and prosperity? You can very easily dismiss my views as pseudo-secularist (Man, that has to be the most over-used word in the media right now!!) but I think my views are as nationalist as can be….

by **peeping tom** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 12:44 pm

Hi Mr Shaad, The same way conversion was/ is/ will be/ targeted on poor illeterates. You see any religeon should be followed naturally. Not by way of utilizing the tightcorners of the poor illeterates.

by **BAN_ME** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 1:17 pm

shaad abaad, why are you talking about the mandir issue in the first case? Taj is known more for its beauty than as a burial ground...........{ though i do not believe it to be true, for a invader who had 5000 wives to have built a taj for one of his wives}....but what hurts is that all the good looking temples etc...were converted either into a burial ground or a mosque, if it was a mosque i should not say any thing, thanks to the democracy, but to convert a temple into a Burial ground ....Man this hurts......any way forget all YOUR feelings , you do not have the capacity to change the history......but when some body has put up a true looking fact on the board, you either put up some thing more concrete to support your view or JUST keep quiet, do NOT dismiss it as a trivia on the first hand, and do not worry about the further plundering of temples, it will never happen in the modern India, Thanks to the democracy and the proper people( RSS, BJP etc...) at the helm of affairs, atleast now the views of the majority are respected!!!

by **Shaad-Aabaad** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 1:38 pm

Man...I should have known you would come up with something silly...5000 wives???!!!! hahahahahahahahaha whatever will you think of next....forget it. There is no use arguing with your kind coz you don\'t know how to argue logically. And then you tell me that I should speak only when i have valid points. Read my post and see if you have managed to match any of my argument. Instead you come with the 5000 wives thing...hahahaha....
<br>I was wrong when I said it is trivia... I take back my words... It actually was a bunch of rubbish... just like all the other things you guys come up with time and again...

by **Gulmohar** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 2:21 pm

congratulations guys for raking up somuch stink :-)

. You guys are really splendidly sick and insane, and wonderful grave diggers too :-)

I don\'t know how your bosses are managing you guys :-)

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Lastly, this board is \'almost there\' for the COP to dismember it. I am sure he is awake and on the prowl :-)

by RP » Fri Jan 31, 2003 12:10 am

All messages above prove a point my fiends and I discuss all the time. This goes back to \"why Pakistan wins cricket all the time when facing India\". Pardon me but I may sound like a religious bigot. So be it. But here it is. You see, these hindu guys always are scared of facing the truth while the musalman does not care and pounces ahead when faced with truth. Who are we to dismiss a legitimate historical enquiry? Truth_seeker brought out a point. Let us discuss instead of launching an immediate warfare. Let us face it. The truth is that the so-called \"invaders\" looted the Indian civilization of its great treasures. that is an undeniable fact. They did worse things but let us not go there. When the so-called hindu fanatics are trying to restore or I call it \"fix\" some of what these murderers did, all of a sudden they are \"religious bigots\". Wah. God save these men who cannot - or not allowed to - speak the truth from their heart. For one, it may be true that it was in fact a Shiva Temple. If it was, then I can reason why Shahjahan faced so much trouble and incarceration prior to his demise. Explainable, are ways of God. Okay - now you can jump on me.

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