Is India a terrorist state?

[Dhagan]

I was surprised today when one of my American co-worker pointed out that 5 people were burned alive in INDIA, As i expressed my absence of knowledge in this matter i was hit by another question : Should India be considered a terrorist state for the atrocities committed in the name of religion and barbarism, voilence exceeds any other nation.
This refrences comming from American counter parts in the office are very heartening.
WHAT IS INDIA COMMING TO?
WHY SO MANY HUMAN RIGHTS VOILATIONS.
I WISH SENSE WOULD PREVAIL AND PEACE FOLOWS.../AKS/U.S.A.

[Rakesh]

No , India is not a terrorist state.However the problems it faces are unique and we need to stop seeing ourselves from the eyes of an american or european. None of these countries have a minority community as big as muslims in India.
How muslims should live when they are in majority is explecitely written in Holy Quran.But how they should behave when they are in minority is not clear to many of them. Should they revolt and overthrow a government which is not based on Islam? Should they forget their nationality and try to identify themselves only with Islamic identity? Is it legitimate to ask for a separte state if they form majority in a pocket?
Now it is a fact that muslims in Godhra acted in a fashion where they thought they are living in a separate country where their rule of Islam should prevail.
Donot forget that muslims behaved in same fashion in Bradford and Oldham in UK.
The difference is only of quantity and not in terms of quality.
I think it is high time that we bring these questions forward and discuss these issues with Islamic leaders of the world, including with Osama bin Laden and his associates as they have significant following and influence.
I am sure that if he does not like the presence of those who dont believe in islam in Islamic holy land , then he or his followers should not justify the presence of a Mosque in the most holy piece of land for Hindus.Unfortunately we are not talking to them and hence these problems are spiralling out of control.All over the world and not only India.
What about those sikhs and middle eastern people who were killed in USA after 11th. Was America a terrorist state when it put so many bans on Japanies after pearl harbour.

[Indian]

The very thought that had come to your mind make me feel sick! Terrorism is something that has to do with killing innocents, and unarmed civilians. The muslims who burned innocent women and children in train is an act of terrorism, and the counter attack by Hindus on muslims is just a matter of revenge? Had muslims learnt how to live in harmony with peaceful Hindus, this current religious conflict wouldn\'t have been there...

Pakistan and muslims should learn that messing with Indians, and Hindus is not good for them.

[Charles]

I don\'t know how I landed on this site, but just reading it makes me believe, that you guys are sick. Fighting in the name of religion, and for what are you questioning the majority and minority behavior for. If the world start thinking the way you guys are, than all indians will be back to where they belong, in India. We need to look at it from a humane point of view and understand are we doing justice with the life, God has given us. Muslims or Hindus comes secondary, and if everyone go out to take matters in his own hands then you better get some nukes in your backyard, because guns wont stop terrorist/mobs.

[kedar]

Hi Charles
I don\'t want to comment on the religious conflicts here.I just want to point out one sentence which says..\"Every indian will go back to where he belongs\"..that sounds like being in India is the last thing anything anybody wants to do..which is not the case..infact just think what happens to all those countries if every indian comes back to india...Those countries will do anything for avoiding that situation.
cheers..

[ali]

dhagan,you say muslims killed hindus in train and then hindus killed muslims back for revenge.
now i agree to this some wat.
but wat about babri masjid demolition?wat was that revenge for?after 2 or 3 or watever,hundred years of some ruler pulling temples down,now these pull masjid down?
these people are like hindu militans or extremists.....just like osama.

[Kishore Kadiyala]

Ali, Dhagan never said anything about musilms killing hindus in a train and hindus killing muslims in retaliation. Please read a message properly before retaliating to it. And when you so greatly proclaim that you agree \"somewhat\" to it, do you know what you are saying? You are effectively saying that if one muslim commits a crime, it is perfectly fine to kill another muslim for it. There\'s this story about a man who searched for his lost ring under a streetlight even though he\'d lost it elsewhere, just because it was more convenient to search for it under the light. When you make a point, pause and think about what you\'re saying. That\'ll make it more interesting for other people to respond.

[azhar]

No India is certainly not a terrorist Country, but VHP/BAJRANG DAL/RSS are terrorist organisations. What we witness in Gujrat was not a revenge attack but a POGRAM which will destroy the Great INDIA if not checked now

[Rose]

If India is a terrorist state , then all the countreis in the world are terrorist states. Its the politicians who are creating this tension in India. Using caste as a means to fullfill their political interests. The tought of India becomming a terrorist state should never occur to an Indian mind..be it a muslim or a hindu

[anonymous]

In my view India is a peace loving country but of late the activites of some organizations and parties have really changed the focus of things that need development.
This is leading the country going backwards instead of concentrating on development issues.
Not a day passes without talking about communal issues etc at the national level.
Where is the time to focus on real progressive stuff.
Given a chance, who would want to live in a country like that.

[suresh]

Reading the newspapers on Gujarat, I feel that all Indians are sick fighting over some nontrivial issues like mandir-masjid. Why are educated people dancing over the tunes of religious fundamentalist organisations.

[Guest]

India (read people) was always a peace loving country and will remain so in future also. There is no second thought about it. If anyone still think that the bullshit organizations like VHP/RSS or Hiz.Muja/ISI will break the country, then it will remain only a dream for them which will never come true. I sincerely pray to God (don\'t ask again whether I am a Hindu or Muslim:)) that my country remain in peace and always remain so...

[Shweta]

Its WHAT not wat!

[saurav]

The religion which I know as \'Hinduisim\'(the one that was taught to me by my parents and grandparents) teaches me of restraint, tolerance and peace. It never asked me to burn innocent people(no matter what faith they follow). If the modern hinduism approves of such barbaric acts of voilence towards innnocent people rather then harshly condemning it, then I am better off without being called a \'hindu\'. May god bring peace in India.

[kalia]

India can never be a terrorrist state as long as terrorist organisations are kept under check and control.Lets do that at the earliest.Dharma or religion has been hijacked by politicians for their greed of power.The need of the Hour is a firm and stable government at the center to check the current menace.Raj dharma can be established by Kings/Rajas and not by democratically elected goverments unfortunately.Hindutva members talked about it.Shall we not give them this opportunity to save the current situation in Gujrat,from detorriorating any further ? My advice to Modi is \"declare Gujrat a kingdom and openly defy the constitution of India \"(rather being subtle, due to constraints of democracy)

[Indian-American]

My organization has almost 28% employees from Indian subcontinent. In my case, the problem is quite different and painful too. Most frequently asked question in my organization is - are you a Muslim? and followed by - I never knew India is the SECOND largest Muslim country in the World and I have always been under the impression that India was devided to create separate countries for Hindus and Muslims. The REAL sad thing is that the word \'ISLAM or MUSLIM\' had become synonymous with \'TERRORISM or TERRORIST\' in the West.

[peaceful India!]

If RSS, VHP, BJP are given full support by the public, the educated mass, as has happened in Gujarat lately, then certainly India will become a terrorist state soon. We need to weed out these termites ( RSS, BJP, VHP, Bajrang dal ) before they eat away the secular fabric of India and bring it to ruins.

[Indian-egotist-in-US]

I Am not a patriot at all but well dont suffer frm xcessive self-doubt like the foolish dude responsible for this totally ridiculous querry...

First of all, itz quite idiotic n stinkingly naive of this person to put this querry... whtz this stuppid introspective style?? The whole country with itz billion+denizens is to be branded a TERRORIST state huh??? coz V xterminated a whole race (ohh yeah, I remember, V were responsible for wipin out tibetans frm ...nevvermind).. hey... to this day, the no of tibetan ppl bein xecuted there hasnt been put to toll... and their despotic govt endorses it without a trace of \'ARE V TERRORISTS\' syndrome... and yeah, china... itz beyond comments rite??? terrorist states r those tht commit acts of aggression committed against their own ppl and they r endorsed bluntly by the govt in power.. However Cynical one maybe, itz quite _ foolish to presume tht Vajpayee or his cabinet or Soniya or her cooterie were involved in this whole Gujrat episode..

The guy who put this querry surely suffers from a bounty of inferiority complex and slavish attitude twrds amrus/euros... How many American SOBs call America a terrorist state when Ku Klux Klan lynched hundreds n thousands of blacks???? Or How many germans call their country terrorist coz of Nazi behavior???

My girl is Jewish, and I\'ve nevver hrd her ill-speak abt Israel or \"state sponsored terrorism\" by Israel when they butcher hundreds of innocent palestinians (tht too endorsed by their govt)..

My advise: Tell Ur amru fren to simply FO..

[Shakeel, Canada]

I think the biggest problem is mixing religion and emotions with politics and business. In a country with hardly 50% literarcy rate, and poverty this makes a deadly combination. My suggestion is to seperate religion and emotions from politics and business. The west had been engaged in crusades like this for hundreds of years and finally when they got sick and tired of this they come up with a political and financial system which is independent of religion and politics. The political system should be based on honesty, justice, equality which are universal principals supported by all religions or schools of thought. The Govt role should not be more than a law enforcer, giving people enough freedom but at the same time protecting the rights of all its citizens to live and prosper. This is the main difference between east and the west. Our religious and cultural believes do not let us over come our traditional way of thinking. I think just blaming the politicians is not enough there is some thing fundamentally wrong the way we think, what is wrong with our societies that we are producing politicians like this? I would also like to balme it on our education system, we are still following a model that British had set up long time ago, it provides degrees but doesn\'t change our thouht process at all. How can we expect us to do good in the fields of science and technology when we are plagued by religious madness like this.

[The Shrink]

The fact that you are able to ask this question and continue to enjoy the Indian citizenship protections speaks for itself. Suppose you are from any one of the \'believer\' countries in the world, would you have dared raise this in a public forum?.

[ahinsa]

I agree with the peaceful indian.It is time for India to really do an analysis where it is going.Hindu terrorists like the RSS,VHP and the likes are destroying the religion they belong to.The recent massacre in Gujrat is nothing but ethnic cleansing that was state sponsored.The train incident also was provoked and pre-planned- enough indications in the press and by witnesses including by the police officials.I am in no way condoning the action but the rampage,rape, targeting of influential muslims all speak of the total involvement of the authorities.
The world can either wait many years as they did in Sebrenica where now they say the UN/Dutch should be held responsible or have a full investigation that is impartial which unfortunately the Vajpayee Govt is incapable of doing.
India is regarded as a secular, democratic country with Gandhian principles but the true face of the politicians is being seen.
If the secular Hindus/Muslims/Christians of India don\'t get actively involved in rooting out the terrorists - they will drive us all to the Indian Ocean or bring us close to a nuclear war.
There are terrorists in every religion and there are terrorists nations too- it all depends on your perspective and your definition of \"terrorism\".One needs to differentiate between legitimate freedom movements and the terrorists who kill for the pure sake of terrorising the community as was the case with the ethnic cleansing in Gujrat.

[ali]

kishore,i think u get excited very soon.when i said,it is ok by killing of people hindu or muslim,i mean it.
whoever did it,it was wrong to burn hindus in train.naturally u have to bear the anger for ur works and so hindus retaliated.u pay if do wrong.but the point i made was,why babri masjid brought down,surely osama is not a terrorist if he pulls WTC.people were killed during babri demoltn,no one said this then????
why this bias now?

[ali]

i would like to INDIA is not a terrorist state.but people like RSS,BJB,VHP, BAL THACKREY are REAL TERRORISTS.And BJP is the govt now...so that tells the story..

[ali]

sweta are u in school?