Need for STRINGENT Dowry laws and Protection of Womens Right

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Misuse_every f'n_thread.....don't you have your own thread for these rants of yours? Please take them there.

[misuse_dowry_laws]

Women make up 1/2 of this earths population, but 60% of the worlds poor.
1/2 of the worlds population, but only 1% of the Fortune 500 CEO's.

Men make up 1/2 of world's population, but only 0% give birth to children.



Women make up 1/2 of this earth, but 80% of them marry for better Fortune (including to the CEOs of Fortune 500).



Statistics go no where.



BTW, I am not the first person in this forum to make generalisations. I did not see anybody utter anything when generalisations are made against men. In fact, this entire thread is based on the generalisation towards condemnation of men for any, every social.

[mark]

Statistics go no where.

that i agree with, but i'm still not sure where you're going with all this. Do you think women have an easy life? Do you think they are more greedy than men? We're all subject to the same limitations, we are all selfish, greedy mindless morons. that's what being human is all about.





anyhow, i'm going to force myself to stop bumping your threads.

[misuse_dowry_laws]

Misuse_every f'n_thread.....don't you have your own thread for these rants of yours? Please take them there.

Thats what I call frustration.



I am not misusing any f'n_threads on Sleeping babies, Tsunamis, Revenge, Kaamwaali, swimming pools, Mogambo, Konark, national anthem etc. etc.



I have heard enough rants from Feminists till now. Whats the harm if you taste a bit. They make an issue out of 7000 dowry deaths when that much men get killed in fighting insurgents alone in India. 1,50,000 men get killed on indian Roads.

[misuse_dowry_laws]

We're all subject to the same limitations, we are all selfish, greedy mindless morons. that's what being human is all about.

Correct. So, we have to try to stop being selfish, greedy, mindless, single track morons. It may not happen overnight. But, even a small percentage of it can do wonders for everybody(including women). Otherwise, we all will go to hell.



Where am I going with all this ? Well, I will know how deep the Feminist indoctrination via media is.



The more men fought with beasts, the more they became like beasts.
The more men worked with machines, the more they became like machines.



But they fought with beasts and they worked with machines not for fun, but for the very survival of their families. Men work as firefighter, fishermen, stuntmen, rescue workers, work on oil rigs, lift 60kg of load on heads as Coolies, pull cylce rickshaws(in Kolkatta its handpulled) in summer heat with barefeet just to feed their families. This dedication, beating that their bodies take is taken for granted. If woman works in the shadows of the house, then thats injustice and a Kaamwaali(another woman) is needed !!



Valmiki was a moron who used to slaughter people for feeding a hungry family. Left to himself, he would have got enough to sustain himself with a positive livelihood (which ultimately he did by deserting his family).

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Misuse_every f'n_thread.....don't you have your own thread for these rants of yours? Please take them there.

Thats what I call frustration.

I am not misusing any f'n_threads on Sleeping babies, Tsunamis, Revenge, Kaamwaali, swimming pools, Mogambo, Konark, national anthem etc. etc.

I have heard enough rants from Feminists till now. Whats the harm if you taste a bit. They make an issue out of 7000 dowry deaths when that much men get killed in fighting insurgents alone in India. 1,50,000 men get killed on indian Roads.

I'm frustrated about seeing the same rant and same POV on every post of yours. I stopped reading after maybe your third post..just the look of every post of yours gives me the same nausea...so I know its the same thing. Now, isn't this frustration something human? As human as the 7000 who died for dowry and the 150000 who laid their lives keeping our frontiers safe. Why make a gender issue out of it?



And I'm not talking like this to you because you're ranting on a specific subject. The thing is that you're ranting everywhere. If you think you're propogating your views effectively here, let me tell you on behalf of all the regulars here that no one reads your posts. Had there been a misuse_rape_laws instead of the sorry loser you are, she would have recieved the same treatment as you.



Now....do you take this off to your baby on the boards yourself or should I come back with some little more farex for you?



I hope the junkblob reads this in its entirety.

[DQ]

Useless folks, you preach a lot.....

First straighten your own telugu people in your own bloody places and then preach others about stringent laws. First help to implement the existing laws, before trying to chew more. Finish eating what is there in the table first, before asking for more.

Exactly, first eradicate Dowry with stringent laws. Then look at upliftment of women

The conclusion: Laws can not change societies. Laws can not bring social transformation. Awareness Can.

Ok so awareness will be bought about by ridiculing rights organisations and starting a own Mens Rights organisation is it.
Instead of spending time and energy on some organisation that is fighting for rights that already exist, why not divert this to get rights to other individuals without gender bias.

But creating awareness is painful, so we want to shriek the responsibility from our ownselves and delegate it to some Khakiwaalas or some Black_coats whom we want to empower with infinite powers and we rest in peace. That is callousness. Now, if Khakiwallas or black_coats fail in duty or collude with Feminists(most of them are of course black_coats....thats synergy of business) in sharing the booty, things go no where. Then, we demand for more power to Khakiwaalas and black_coats again. So, cycle continues till a day doom arrives.

So according to the above we should not empower police and law, but take it on ourselves. Ok why only dowry, lets resolve all conflicts ourselves. HAIL STONAGE.

Convince, 10 people in your neighbourhood not to give or take dowry. Make these 10 people to convince another 10 each. Its the drops of water which creates an ocean.

Good idea, Charity begins at home. Why don't you start that ?

On one hand people demand dowry in public forums and on the other hand innocent techies get into false dowry cases. The law is there for everybody. But it is blind. It will remain blind however stringent we make it.

Correct, can't help it if you got drubbed the wrong side of it.
Help your self, cross that stumbling block.

I do not see a single matrimonial site writing a single line against dowry in its front page. DQ, why do not you try to achieve this in next 1 years time(get 10 matrimonial sites to write a one line anti-dowry message on their front page). Do something for the helpless women which is tangible without preaching. At the same time, do not waste time to convince us that the word "Shrew" did not exist. Do not convince us that Kaikeyi and Ahalya (of Ramayana)did not exist.

So your problem here is Women "not Dowry" not laws.
Okai if your sexual preferances are not straight so be it. Why are you so hell bent on Women bashing dude.

Most on these forum adore and respect them and also concur that the existing laws are sufficient and need to be implemented.

As far as I am concerned, I was on TV voicing against misuse of dowry laws. I stood against dowry in every possible occassion in my own family and no dowry was transacted. Still I, went into a false dowry case. I told the police, arrest me please, I want to be inside the prison if I am wrong(if God wishes). I asked my lawyer, when will they handcuff me. They did not. They could not.

SO? What a big mistake they should have.
It would have saved us FHDBIANS all this trouble and kept you away from that distressing agony. "There are no mixed jails in India. Men hi Men Sluuuuuurp Misuse"

One day, I saw a vicious mother-in-law beating her very poor son-in-law in the police station and the women police stopping her and sympathising with the guy. But the evil women filed a false dowry case in front of my eyes and police can not do anything but to issue an arrest warrent as per law without investigation. Poor fellow, from where will he get a lawyer. From where, he will get Rs.10,000 and a surety for bail. He must have been inside for more than a month. We all will say who cares if there is a misuse of law for vindictive behaviour. Tomorrow, we may not have the right to blame him if he gets converted into a psychotic killer.

Exactly. Wether he becomes a Psychotic killer or changes his sexula preferences only time will tell. Please keep us updated.

Anyway you did not tell why the Mother In Law was beating him up. Had he taken money and beat her daughter or maybe burnt her to death ?

If you want any help to straighten telugumatrimony, please let me know.

No we leave that honour to you.

Buddy I re paste my first reply to you.

Can we discuss this point wise, so that maybe we understand what you are trying to acheive. Your unending essays are not being read by any body and as I told you EARLIER IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THIS THREAD IS FOR YOU, ELSE CONTINUE LAMBASTING YOUR "MISUSE THREAD"

SECOND PIECE OF ADVISE, STOP SWEARING etc. MIND your language this is a public forum.
Your language on a public forum is so sweet, god help your wife what she must have heard behind closed doors. No wonder she took you to court.

Out of interest is she alive ?
I hope she is not one of those statistics of "Road Accident, Death due to Cylinder blast" <---- Which for your information are not _ as Dowry deaths, hence the ridiculous 7000 deaths which are official figures for 1999.

If all these are accounted as dowry related then easily we cross the 100,000 threshold per year. As many dead in the major natural disasters or wars. Give it a thought ?

First and foremost MR Misuse , if you want a healthy dialogue stop inundating threads with your essays.
Lets discuss point wise, if you want to just throw in you POV and blast threads with never ending essays please do so in (your habitat...he he good term Marko )

In US, Feminists are jumping around since last 80 years.

What do you mean by jumping around ?
Do you mean fighting for rights is jumping around ?

In the end, where the females are ? They are where they are.

Exactly ! Where will they go ? Mars or something?

In spite of all the hallabaloo they have gone no where except Lesbianism and whorism. The same is the case in Europe.

Lets not mix matters here,
1. Lesbianism - In broader terms is Homo Sexuality, existant in societies where feminist movement is not there. So blaming feminist activists for this is uncalled for.
2. Whorism - Sexual trade, a vice spread by men. If every man was faithful to his spouse, and aslo had the guts and ability to take up a spouse (marry) my friend why would this vice be existent at all ?

They all are being given a device path. Following that women have turned to Lesbianism. Feminist in US are now the strongest proponents of Homosexual marriages.

Your concurrence has been proved otherwise read above
There are an estimated 7000 dowry deaths in India.

Its the women who carry the genes of negativity, jealousy, treachery and backstabbing. Its the women who work against women. Take a survey in your own families and you will know the truth.

How do you substantiate this, do not give me examples of bollywood and hollywood.
And where is the Male quotient here?
The male plays no part is it, if your answer is no, such males in bollywood are termed (napunsak---look up the meaning)

Male atrocities.(Specifically targetting the Indian Society)
Birth:
- A boy is born a 10 course meal is served and the father pounds his chest in pride, the entire locality is lit up.
- A girl is born, matter is hushed up. The husband and wifes relation is strained. Elders intervene and encourage them to co habit praying for a boy the next time.

Dont you think its a sick logic and blatant discrimination even in birth.

More examples will continue......

[Habitual Perfectionist]

Damn you DQ...your looooong post just hid my post. Now I'm sure the skunk won't read what I had to tell him.

[DQ]

Misuse_every f'n_thread.....don't you have your own thread for these rants of yours? Please take them there.

Thats what I call frustration.

I am not misusing any f'n_threads on Sleeping babies, Tsunamis, Revenge, Kaamwaali, swimming pools, Mogambo, Konark, national anthem etc. etc.

I have heard enough rants from Feminists till now. Whats the harm if you taste a bit. They make an issue out of 7000 dowry deaths when that much men get killed in fighting insurgents alone in India. 1,50,000 men get killed on indian Roads.

I'm frustrated about seeing the same rant and same POV on every post of yours. I stopped reading after maybe your third post..just the look of every post of yours gives me the same nausea...so I know its the same thing. Now, isn't this frustration something human? As human as the 7000 who died for dowry and the 150000 who laid their lives keeping our frontiers safe. Why make a gender issue out of it?

And I'm not talking like this to you because you're ranting on a specific subject. The thing is that you're ranting everywhere. If you think you're propogating your views effectively here, let me tell you on behalf of all the regulars here that no one reads your posts. Had there been a misuse_rape_laws instead of the sorry loser you are, she would have recieved the same treatment as you.

Now....do you take this off to your baby on the boards yourself or should I come back with some little more farex for you?

I hope the junkblob reads this in its entirety.

I'd Hate to do this Misuse.



Ah ummm, well it can be done to you. Read this post and the ones that follow up to your reply. Think ponder and reply point wise.



LOL HP, I hope I have solved it, only if "Marko" doesnt beat the two of us to it.

[misuse_dowry_laws]

Mr. Pointwise,



1) First, please tell us what are existing dowry laws (Point wise) ?

As human as the 7000 who died for dowry and the 150000 who laid their lives keeping our frontiers safe. Why make a gender issue out of it?

BTW, I am not the first one in this Forum who made gender issues. Are not you making a gender issue when you say men have rights and women do not have rights ?

[CtrlAltDel]

misuse-bhai? cant u post on any other topic too?

[DQ]

Mr. Pointwise,

1) First, please tell us what are existing dowry laws (Point wise) ?

As human as the 7000 who died for dowry and the 150000 who laid their lives keeping our frontiers safe. Why make a gender issue out of it?

BTW, I am not the first one in this Forum who made gender issues. Are not you making a gender issue when you say men have rights and women do not have rights ?

First and firmost, its Anti Dowry Law and Not Dowry Law.

I will outline it, but you need to promise that you will shun all your pretensions and discuss. Not lambast the thread with nuisance from all around. Agreed.

Next you did not answer these. Are you trying to ignore this?
1.

One day, I saw a vicious mother-in-law beating her very poor son-in-law in the police station and the women police stopping her and sympathising with the guy. But the evil women filed a false dowry case in front of my eyes and police can not do anything but to issue an arrest warrent as per law without investigation. Poor fellow, from where will he get a lawyer. From where, he will get Rs.10,000 and a surety for bail. He must have been inside for more than a month. We all will say who cares if there is a misuse of law for vindictive behaviour. Tomorrow, we may not have the right to blame him if he gets converted into a psychotic killer.

Exactly. Wether he becomes a Psychotic killer or changes his sexula preferences only time will tell. Please keep us updated.



Anyway you did not tell why the Mother In Law was beating him up. Had he taken money and beat her daughter or maybe burnt her to death ?



2.

SECOND PIECE OF ADVISE, STOP SWEARING etc. MIND your language this is a public forum.

Your language on a public forum is so sweet, god help your wife what she must have heard behind closed doors. No wonder she took you to court.



Out of interest is she alive ?

I hope she is not one of those statistics of "Road Accident, Death due to Cylinder blast" <---- Which for your information are not _ as Dowry deaths, hence the ridiculous 7000 deaths which are official figures for 1999.



If all these are accounted as dowry related then easily we cross the 100,000 threshold per year. As many dead in the major natural disasters or wars. Give it a thought ?



Do you agree that the official figure of 7000 in 1999 is crap and there are way to many more dowry related deaths ?



3. Can you outline the 2004 official dowry related detah toll?

[DQ]

News Article TOI 20/01/05



Hyderabad: A software engineer was on Thursday arrested in a dowry death case.

Ravindra Choudary’s wife Shivarani, 27, an MBA graduate, was found hanging at their home here on Jan. 12. Married some years ago, she reportedly wanted to move out and live separately.

The girl’s parents complained to Kukatpally police Shivarani committed suicide following harassment at the hands of her husband, “who demanded she bring Rs 4 lakh from them”. Choudary has been booked under Section 304(B), which deals with dowry deaths.

[Habitual Perfectionist]

News Article TOI 20/01/05

Hyderabad: A software engineer was on Thursday arrested in a dowry death case.
Ravindra Choudary’s wife Shivarani, 27, an MBA graduate, was found hanging at their home here on Jan. 12. Married some years ago, she reportedly wanted to move out and live separately.
The girl’s parents complained to Kukatpally police Shivarani committed suicide following harassment at the hands of her husband, “who demanded she bring Rs 4 lakh from them”. Choudary has been booked under Section 304(B), which deals with dowry deaths.

How can you be so sure that the husband is at fault here? Could be that the wife had an extra marital affair and that was causing problems. And the resultant tension could have led her to that extreme step.



You're just the other end of the spectrum on which misuse_dowry_laws graces one end.

[DQ]

News Article TOI 20/01/05

Hyderabad: A software engineer was on Thursday arrested in a dowry death case.
Ravindra Choudary’s wife Shivarani, 27, an MBA graduate, was found hanging at their home here on Jan. 12. Married some years ago, she reportedly wanted to move out and live separately.
The girl’s parents complained to Kukatpally police Shivarani committed suicide following harassment at the hands of her husband, “who demanded she bring Rs 4 lakh from them”. Choudary has been booked under Section 304(B), which deals with dowry deaths.

How can you be so sure that the husband is at fault here? Could be that the wife had an extra marital affair and that was causing problems. And the resultant tension could have led her to that extreme step.

You're just the other end of the spectrum on which misuse_dowry_laws graces one end.

No one is sure here. Just a news article.



Please read the letters in bold. Time and again I have told you READ.



A demand for 4 lakhs should be ignored. AND your logic of an extra mart.... should be considered. Get real. Its a known fact that this Anti Dowry law is not misused at all.

[Rights to be Protected]

Now how would you protect such hapless women.



News Article Deccan Herald 25/01/05



Woman set on fire

Angered with his wife for having refused to give him money, an autorickshaw driver set her on fire.



The incident occurred in K R Puram’s Chikkadevasandra and the accused is 28-year-old Cheluva.



A resident of A K Colony, Cheluva fell in love with Chandrakala (26 years), a lemon seller, and later married her. The couple had two children. However, their marital life was marred with quarrels over various issues. According to the police, Cheluva hardly used to work and instead he pestered Chandrakala for money to meet his expenses.



On Saturday, a fight broke between the two over the issue. In the melee, Cheluva doused kerosene on her and set her on fire, the police said. Chandrakala was shifted to the hospital, but she died on Sunday

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http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanheral ... metro7.asp



We need more Zaffars, who tkae up this cause seriously. Rather then those who go ga ga over existing laws. We need these laws to stay as they are to protect the Indian Women.

[CtrlAltDel]

thats nice to read DQ...

[DQ]

thats nice to read DQ...

Thanks CAD. Hope you concur.



All I can say is ""Truly it has been said: 'all that is needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing'."



The appaling state of the common man today is due their inaction.



Over times unlimited has the Women in these parts of Asia been tormented and vilified.



Her confidence and free will is killed from the day she is born, in the name of culture and custom.



She dons the role, of daughter - sister - wife - mother. And at all these stages the the male associated with her keeps proving to her that she is a burden to carry. And the tireless woman still continues to toil and keep these relationships going.



And the little that she is doing to fight for her rights are being questioned.



Not only that the chauvinest Indian male who has been opressing her, cannot bear to see her get her rights.



NRI (Newly Rich Indian) a term purported on this and the misuse thread.



My simple question, why does this NRI not marry in the foriegn land that he has domiciled ?



Is it because.



- the women there do not buy into him.

- The women there would knock the shit out of him if he gave them a percent of the attitude he gives the Indian lady.

- The women there does not come with that half a million $$ dowry.

- The women there will not become his sex slave.



The only reason this brand of NRI have is the "Values" and what are these values that they are after ?



I hope this answers all the queries.

[DQ]

See how far the male ego is hurt, why doesn't the Indian male understand that times are changing and should rectify the fatal mistakes they have been doing for times unlimited.



They have been literally enslaving women and now a little hope to women of liberation and the men are going gung ho.



To the extent of blaming women of snatching away their rights.



What rights ?

The right to beat her.

The right to ensure women put up with the social norms a chauvnist society has put up.

The right to enslave her.

The right to have a sex slave.

The right to ridicule a girls family for their inability to meet up with your self proclaimed ego.

The right to admonish the womens parents who she has been respecting all her life, so that she is left with no support.

The rights to ultimately kill her once your purpose served or not served, for e.g

Insufficient dowry.

Inability to produce male child.

Or maybe not satiating in bed anymore....etc etc





Deccan Herald News 28-01-05



An angry man went to kill his wife, but ended up killing her sister instead.

The incident occurred at Saraswathinagar in Harohalli police limits in Bangalore rural district and the accused is Shivaraj, a labourer.



Married to Savithri, Shivaraj’s marital life was not all that blissful.

The two used to quarrel with each other over trivial matters. While Shivaraj charged her with not being subservient to him, she accused him of being bossy. On January 20, a fight broke out between the two and following this their relationship got more strained.



When Shivaraj fought with her again on January 25, she left him and went to the house of her sister Sannamma. Angry over this, Shivaraj picked up a country-made gun in the evening and headed straight to Sannamma’s house with the intention of killing Savithri. On reaching the house, Shivaraj peeped in through the window and took an aim at the woman who was moving around. Seconds later, he pulled the trigger and the woman collapsed on the ground. Shivaraj thought he had taken revenge on his wife, but soon realised that he had actually killed his sister-in-law. Following this, he fled.



Harohalli police have registered a case of murder and are on the look-out for Shivaraj. “It is only after he is arrested can we know where he got the gun from,” the police said.