Do we really want to be engineers?

[dethslut]

well, they are still virgins...no ones marrying them till they get a good job....

:lol: which could take forever, considering the misconceptions which these BE grads have about themselves...

Hey,ME a B.Tech and as many as Five gals in our class were married before the Final Exams........

P.S:One even was "in-the-family-way".......or so the other gals said.....

I had a short stint in the world of -Tech, but had nothign to do with engineering.

[CtrlAltDel]

as many as Five gals in our class were married before the Final Exams...
P.S:One even was "in-the-family-way"....

thats coz they are girls...they wud get married with no problems even if they are not grads. no so for a male, he has to find a job first.

[Arti]

well, they are still virgins...no ones marrying them till they get a good job....

:lol: which could take forever, considering the misconceptions which these BE grads have about themselves...

The number is rather huge!

[Lucifer]

well, they are still virgins...no ones marrying them till they get a good job....

:lol: which could take forever, considering the misconceptions which these BE grads have about themselves...

The number is rather huge!

OK. Let me say a few words here. Some BE grads may have misconceptions but statistically that number may be no higher than grads in any other discipline. Where the difference lies is in the former's ability to believe in themselves. They have much higher self-confidence, which also stems from the fact that most of them have been good students.

[Arti]

well, they are still virgins...no ones marrying them till they get a good job....

:lol: which could take forever, considering the misconceptions which these BE grads have about themselves...

The number is rather huge!

OK. Let me say a few words here. Some BE grads may have misconceptions but statistically that number may be no higher than grads in any other discipline. Where the difference lies is in the former's ability to believe in themselves. They have much higher self-confidence, which also stems from the fact that most of them have been good students.

I beg to differ. I meet all kinds of graduates... every day. I am not saying that only engineers have misconceptions about themselves, but the number, percentage rather, is higher when it comes to them. They believe that everything should come to them on a platter because they have a BE... come on I say to them... GET A LIFE!

[Sharjeel]

OK. Let me say a few words here. Some BE grads may have misconceptions but statistically that number may be no higher than grads in any other discipline. Where the difference lies is in the former's ability to believe in themselves. They have much higher self-confidence, which also stems from the fact that most of them have been good students.

I beg to differ. I meet all kinds of graduates... every day. I am not saying that only engineers have misconceptions about themselves, but the number, percentage rather, is higher when it comes to them. They believe that everything should come to them on a platter because they have a BE... come on I say to them... GET A LIFE!

Dont want to be sounding like an A44hole, but BE and MBBS are definitely way harder than the other B.Com and B.A thingies (Not saying anything about the people who take these courses)

[CtrlAltDel]

Dont want to be sounding like an A44hole, but BE and MBBS are definitely way harder than the other B.Com and B.A thingies (Not saying anything about the people who take these courses)

Engineering and medicine are hard and require more effort, thats true. but we have to realise that a BE/BTech does not guarantee success/prosperity in future. in fact no stream guarantees financial prosperity for the student. it all depends on the attitude n mentality of the individual concerned. anyone can prosper and make a good career.

[Sharjeel]

in fact no stream guarantees financial prosperity for the student. it all depends on the attitude n mentality of the individual concerned. anyone can prosper and make a good career.

Definitely.



My reply was for Arti who was finding it surprising that Engineers sometimes act smug. They do have to work harder, and they are much more intellectually able. But that in no way makes them superior to other graduates (in terms of non-study things like attitude, hard work, etc) like you said.

[Arti]

in fact no stream guarantees financial prosperity for the student. it all depends on the attitude n mentality of the individual concerned. anyone can prosper and make a good career.

Definitely.

My reply was for Arti who was finding it surprising that Engineers sometimes act smug. They do have to work harder, and they are much more intellectually able. But that in no way makes them superior to other graduates (in terms of non-study things like attitude, hard work, etc) like you said.

I totally disagree... pn what basis did you make that statement?

[Arti]

OK. Let me say a few words here. Some BE grads may have misconceptions but statistically that number may be no higher than grads in any other discipline. Where the difference lies is in the former's ability to believe in themselves. They have much higher self-confidence, which also stems from the fact that most of them have been good students.

I beg to differ. I meet all kinds of graduates... every day. I am not saying that only engineers have misconceptions about themselves, but the number, percentage rather, is higher when it comes to them. They believe that everything should come to them on a platter because they have a BE... come on I say to them... GET A LIFE!

Dont want to be sounding like an A44hole, but BE and MBBS are definitely way harder than the other B.Com and B.A thingies (Not saying anything about the people who take these courses)

Again... on what basis do you say this? Do you even take into consideration the fact that people who do BA BCom might be people who choose to do that... as in choose to give up an engineering seat or a medical seat to do that?

[stingrae]

waaaay too many black-n-white statements being made here.



toooo many generalisations.



Sharjeel dude, you're fighting an useless cause. Firstly, B.E is nowhere NEAR as tough as MBBS. I know that was nowhere close to the point in question but as u mentioned both in the same sentence I had to bring it up. Next, just 'coz someone's doing BE doesnt mean they're "much more intellectually capable"!! Out of the 40,000+ students, I'll be darned if even 1,000 are "intellectually capable"...



Dude, doing BE is no longer anything close to special or unique. You can pass in 8 years, there are 81,395 seats available, you can drag your ass through the whole course and barely pass...whatever you do, you'll still end up with that "B.E". Its mass production by the tens of thousands....



Sadly, BCom. and the arts courses are stuck with the image of "second-choice"...always a case of "saala..EAMCET nahin aaya bolke idhar guss gaya"....again, way too much generalisation.....but sad nonetheless.



bah! Pointless argument.

[Arti]

waaaay too many black-n-white statements being made here.

toooo many generalisations.

Sharjeel dude, you're fighting an useless cause. Firstly, B.E is nowhere NEAR as tough as MBBS. I know that was nowhere close to the point in question but as u mentioned both in the same sentence I had to bring it up. Next, just 'coz someone's doing BE doesnt mean they're "much more intellectually capable"!! Out of the 40,000+ students, I'll be darned if even 1,000 are "intellectually capable"...

Dude, doing BE is no longer anything close to special or unique. You can pass in 8 years, there are 81,395 seats available, you can drag your ass through the whole course and barely pass...whatever you do, you'll still end up with that "B.E". Its mass production by the tens of thousands....

Sadly, BCom. and the arts courses are stuck with the image of "second-choice"...always a case of "saala..EAMCET nahin aaya bolke idhar guss gaya"....again, way too much generalisation.....but sad nonetheless.

definitely too much generalisation

bah! Pointless argument.

[stingrae]

thanks for quoting my entire post just to make one statement bold.



seriously, what is up with that lately? i got back here to notice a lot wanton quoting going on, with double, triple, quadruple, n-degree nested quotes being posted here, there and everywhere!!! makes going through each page such a friggin' pain!



back to the topic...sadly, we cant escape generalisations can we? i sympathise with the students who chose B.Com...with the Engineers who chose Civil engg(again, another generalisation)....doofus society we live in...or is it really? grrrr...i hav so much to rant against the whole engineering system...against the whole concept of engineering in A.P....against the system...



but i bad at ranting...so ditch. 81,395 seats??!! out of which only 60,000 have been taken upon??! fudging dipshits never see any sense do they?





PS : I do not have any point whatsoever in these posts. I'm just posting coz i'm bored and decided to haunt my ole forums again.



PPS : I'm an engineer. E.C.E.

[CtrlAltDel]

decided to haunt my ole forums again.

thats gr8 news Payneful Sting! welcome back!!!!

[Lucifer]

I beg to differ. I meet all kinds of graduates... every day. I am not saying that only engineers have misconceptions about themselves, but the number, percentage rather, is higher when it comes to them. They believe that everything should come to them on a platter because they have a BE... come on I say to them... GET A LIFE!

Arti, the number of such people may be higher than that of most other disciplines but I do not think the percentage is higher. The number is higher because of the sheer number of BE grads in this country, especially this state.



Yes, there are people who act smug and all, but those are the ones who have taken up those management or NRI seats. To me, they do not count. They have done nothing to deserve admission and had it not been for their father's money would have been languishing somewhere.



But, the really smart guys are those who are modest. This I can say for a fact, and this holds for people across all streams of study. And, Stingrae, you are right. Perhaps not more than 1000 people actually are deserving guys for the course. But, that is because of the mushrooming of private colleges that seem to encourage management quota. To me, this is wrong.



People might say that these colleges need money to survive. Then let me say this. As of the last few years, the IITs do not really receive governement grants. I know for sure that BITS, Pilani does not. And these institutions have fees ranging between Rs. 19,500 and Rs. 22, 500 per semester. That is not all. The really brilliant guys get a 100% scholarship in Pilani (I am not sure about the IITs, though). Unlike the IITs, BITS does not have NRI seats.



The point here is that if these premier institutes can fund themselves on these low fees completely why can't these private institutions?

[Sharjeel]

I have to agree with Sitn on that point that MBBS is a toughie. Almost all my friends and cousins are will-be doctors, and they have to work thrice as hard as me. BUT (<-This is a big but), they are more into roteing (not saying it is bad), while Engineers have to use dem brains too.



About dragging your feet thru BE: Main bhi drag kar raha hoon, but I am a very good programmer and can also teach very well. Does that make me invalid for a BE? There are many reasons why people fail. You canot just go in for a nice big generalisation ke sare failures are stupid and worthless.



Btw Sting, Mediocrity kahaan nahi hai? And whoever said that B. Com and other degrees are bad. First hand experience se bol raha hoon ke wo saari degrees BE aur MBBS ke saamne easily mil jati hai. Ever heard of a BA failing repeatedly? (<-one more generalisation for u )

Arti, the number of such people may be higher than that of most other disciplines but I do not think the percentage is higher. The number is higher because of the sheer number of BE grads in this country, especially this state.

Yes, just like if 5% of the indian population watches a movie, it is a super-hit!



AFA the money question goes, you should come and see our college. If anybody saw our college he would swear that our principal and the board of Directors must be the Richest people in the world. Here is the list of things they just added:



New Gate w/o the driveway: 20 Lakhs



Fibre Optic Cables for the whole college: 60 Lakhs



New Computers: About 500 (200 for the Computer Dept. 100 for the Electronics)



Itne paise kahaan se aaye?

[Arti]

My main crib has been the fact that people assume engineers are intelligent. That's not necessarily true.



I agree that engineers from IITs are an intelligent lot, but nothing says that people from other fields are not. Sometime back, in a discussion at work, an employee said about someone who had a BA/MSW, "Its surprising that people in other fields get this far.. and you'd think the intelligent ones went to IIT"



So, all engineers are not necessarily intelligent. And all intelligent people needn't be engineers!

[san]

It's upto people who recruit to change this trend of BE's being sort after. You just have to look at the job adverts. For example why does a QA person have to be an Engineer with 5+ years experience? Or why do they need BE MEch for IS support, duh! Companies just want BE as a qualification in IT. Does not matter if it's Mech or Civil.



I have seen guys n gals who were really academically dull in school end up as BE's...how does this happen? Do they suddenly transform into bright things when they join the course? Ok most of them end up in donation college's far far away from home but still few years later they are Engineers!



Boo to companies. Change your attitudes towards education. Aptitude is the key word ppl.

[Sharjeel]

My main crib has been the fact that people assume engineers are intelligent. That's not necessarily true.

I agree that engineers from IITs are an intelligent lot, but nothing says that people from other fields are not. Sometime back, in a discussion at work, an employee said about someone who had a BA/MSW, "Its surprising that people in other fields get this far.. and you'd think the intelligent ones went to IIT"

So, all engineers are not necessarily intelligent. And all intelligent people needn't be engineers!

Think that this is because sometie in the past, a degree was a very good way of differentiating the cream from the poop.



Now it seems that the intellegent people are those who do not go to school (Gates, Banks, etc)

[Arti]

Change your attitudes towards education. Aptitude is the key word ppl.

I agree... its the attitude and the aptitude. Nothing more. But the craze for engineering is there... as is the craze for IT.



I met a guy who has a masters in mechanical engineering and solid work exp in his field... and he wanted to be in IT... even as a fresher!

[CtrlAltDel]

I met a guy who has a masters in mechanical engineering and solid work exp in his field... and he wanted to be in IT... even as a fresher!

at teh start of my career, as a trainer, i had trained doctors n lawyers in s/w languages coz they wanted to go to US as IT professionals...

[Arti]

I met a guy who has a masters in mechanical engineering and solid work exp in his field... and he wanted to be in IT... even as a fresher!

at teh start of my career, as a trainer, i had trained doctors n lawyers in s/w languages coz they wanted to go to US as IT professionals...

I don't know how I missed reading this one. It does take all sorts

[asksmartbusiness]

There is a revolution going on to help our youth remain in our cities and infact our countries, this is led by none other than Britt World Wide and our country mentors Kanti and Hemi Gala.



No you dont have to be engineer only for the so called status, did I talk about status, it is defined as We buy the things we dont need with the money which we dont have to impress the people whom we dont like...