Ab hum Nizam (Mir Osman Ali Khan) key kuch batien yad karien

[DQ]

Asli -> “Nizam is a Visionary”. We don’t deny it. But what about the above said points?
DQ : Nizam was a visionary, do the facts you stated override that he was a visionary.

No it doesnt... All he did was sit in his Mahal and have VISIONS of free hyderabad. By that virtue he is a VISIONARY. Mungeri lal ke hassen sapne..

Don't call him a leader. By no means is he a leader. He was a self-serving, coward who decided to hide in his harem when Hyderabad was being raped and pillaged by British.

Asli - > We are wrong no matter what we say
DQ: When you agree why argue

So you agree that we are outsiders no matter who we are. Anybody who doesnt agree with you is an outsider. Thasts it...

You can never become and belong to a bigger concept i.e India.

I gave you the benefit of doubt but you are not worth it. There is no trying to show you any sense.

~badmash~

Sit in his mahal and sorted the Water problem

Sit in his mahal and started the university.

Sit in his mahal and started the only hospital the city used to live on even 25 years after his death.

The only princely state that did not need any chage in its administration after Police action!!!



Thats not visionary ?



Thats it need to cut the Crap. Either come up with some factual proof. or please cut the crap

[Mayavi Morpheus]

If only you read a wee bit carefully... but then its too much to ask.

Allow me to explain.

Read the first line carefully:I said that QQ was a visionary. Why? He is the one who built a new city called bhagnagar which is modern day hyderabad. Although golkonda was built by Rani Rudramadevi, it was QQ who rebuilt the fort and built the city around it. There were several irrigational projects that were built by the QQ, Hussain sagar being one of them. And this I know for a fact to claim that QQ was a visionary.



The second part of that line states that Nizam was a puppet government and I followed it up with aurangajebs story. What does that mean? It means that I am talking about the whole Nizam clan rather than the 7th Nizam, your lord, god, idol whateva.



As you continue reading my first post (which I am sure you didnt and even if you did, you didnt understand), I have asked you to direct me to a good source or book to back up the "Nizam was a visionary" comment" what does it mean? In simple kiddo terms, it means that I unaware of any good deeds done by Nizam the 7th (Note: I didnt claim that he was bad guy) and asked you to back up your statements.

Mayavi again, from post 1 onwards you have been trying to drag a parallel and make this post communally sensitive

I wont blame you if you felt like that. There is some thing wrong with your brain and your comprehension capabilities.

And again that book was your single base of argument. He h

You are yet to provide even that one source to prove me wrong. Your gut feelings mean jack shit. CAD's post vindicated my comments.

[asli_badmash]

Sit in his mahal and sorted the Water problem

.. only for hyderabadis. What about the rest ?

Sit in his mahal and started the university.

..only for hyderabadis. What about opening schools and institutions for people outside hyderabad. In villages. Nothing... Was that not in his VISION.

Sit in his mahal and started the only hospital the city used to live on even 25 years after his death.

What did he do for the poor outside Hyderabad. In small towns and villages. Nothing! No hospital there.

The only princely state that did not need any chage in its administration after Police action!!!

Because he was the puppet ruler of British and was ruling Hyderabad for the British. But he was replaced soon ..

Thats not visionary ?

Why are you stuck up with the visionary thing.. are you having visions of Nizam or something

Thats it need to cut the Crap. Either come up with some factual proof. or please cut the crap

We have given you enough to think about and all you come up with every time is.. "NIZAM IS A VISIONARY". That is like playing a broken record.



OK few more questions about Nizam..



- Why did he not make a strong Army. Thats why the Indian army could defeat Hyderabad army and take over Hyderabad. If he would have made a strong army maybe Hyderabad would have been free.



- Why did he promote the Razakars. (Also it is not true that Razakars troubled only Hindu's. The troubled everyone who was opposed to the Nizam. Muslims and Hindus.)



- Why did Nizams family go away to Australia. If they loved Hyderabad so much why did they leave this city.



- Why is there no body from the family of Nizam today in Politics of Hyderabad/A.P ?



~badmash~

[asli_badmash]

Posting this from the Helmet thread...

Was it the Brits or Police Action.
Get your facts right.

Oh.. so you are pissed off about the Police Action... i.e how the Indian forces took charge over Hyderabad. But it was bound to happen. If the Nizam was not going to become a part of India after freedom.. (by the way the FREEDOM which he never contributed to)do you think people who wroked for the freedom would leave India to be divided again so... Nizam could Invite the British again to cause trouble in India.



No way dude... Police action was good!



NIZAM had to go. He had no army and no way of protecting the people of Hyderabad. Yes Hyderabad lost.... Yes people of Hyderabad lost.. but because of whom, because of the inactions and ineptitude of Nizam. Do you still think he did good...



Are you thinking about starting trouble in hyderabad like in Kashmir ? Wanting a seperate Hyderabad and everything. Tell us dude... It looks obvious here.



~badmash~

[DQ]

Sit in his mahal and sorted the Water problem

.. only for hyderabadis. What about the rest ?

Sit in his mahal and started the university.

..only for hyderabadis. What about opening schools and institutions for people outside hyderabad. In villages. Nothing... Was that not in his VISION.

Sit in his mahal and started the only hospital the city used to live on even 25 years after his death.

What did he do for the poor outside Hyderabad. In small towns and villages. Nothing! No hospital there.

The only princely state that did not need any chage in its administration after Police action!!!

Because he was the puppet ruler of British and was ruling Hyderabad for the British. But he was replaced soon ..

Thats not visionary ?

Why are you stuck up with the visionary thing.. are you having visions of Nizam or something

Thats it need to cut the Crap. Either come up with some factual proof. or please cut the crap

We have given you enough to think about and all you come up with every time is.. "NIZAM IS A VISIONARY". That is like playing a broken record.

OK few more questions about Nizam..

- Why did he not make a strong Army. Thats why the Indian army could defeat Hyderabad army and take over Hyderabad. If he would have made a strong army maybe Hyderabad would have been free.

- Why did he promote the Razakars. (Also it is not true that Razakars troubled only Hindu's. The troubled everyone who was opposed to the Nizam. Muslims and Hindus.)

- Why did Nizams family go away to Australia. If they loved Hyderabad so much why did they leave this city.

- Why is there no body from the family of Nizam today in Politics of Hyderabad/A.P ?

~badmash~

You should give me the answers to this? Take your time, and you will come up with only one answer.



Nizam ke tukdao pe palne waale, ehsan faramosh the. Baki har rajiya ka koi na koi apni praja ko represent kar raha hain. Nizam ki praja bekar ki behas me lagi hain

[dumpster]

nizam was quite communal and he promoted only muslims.



also he wanted to give away hyderabad to pakistan !!!!!



why is he living in australia now???



its not enough being a dreamer..



in john lennon's words

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And India will live as one.

let him dream as much as he wants. like nero playing his fiddle when ROM was burning with blazing fire.

[CtrlAltDel]

nizam was quite communal and he promoted only muslims.

i wont agree to that. he was personally not communal. towards the end of his "reign" he became a puppet in the hands of some fundoos.

[asli_badmash]

You should give me the answers to this? Take your time, and you will come up with only one answer.

The one answer to this whole debate is ... "NIZAM IS A VISIONARY"...

Nizam ke tukdao pe palne waale, ehsan faramosh the. Baki har rajiya ka koi na koi apni praja ko represent kar raha hain. Nizam ki praja bekar ki behas me lagi hain

.. to Nizam ke loog kahan hai phir.. behas kar rahe hai to aake sabku bolthe kaiku nahin. Oh.. unke VISION mein busy hai kya.... Sapne dekhna baand kar diye to aake yahan pe dikho bolo thoda. Phir baat karinge apan loogan.



Hum Nizam ki praja nahin hai... Gaya woh zamana. Ankhaan kholo DQ Miya. Aaj praja raj kar rahi hai. Koi Raja Koi Nizam nahin hai. Samjhe!



Kaam nahin kare to "G" pe laat padti. Babu ku kaisa ukhad ke phek diye. Waise hi kisi ke baap ka raaj nahin hai.. India. Samjhe!



Jao mu dho ke aao....



~badmash~

PS: Babu did a lot for Hyderabad.. but what about the rest of A.P!

[CtrlAltDel]

.. to Nizam ke loog kahan hai phir..

i get a sneaky feeling that DQ is a descendent of the Nizam ...or.... Osman-bhai himself.......

[DQ]

Bache ..bache hi rahenge.



Agar behas karna hain to bade ho miyan.



"G", "D" "B" Bolne se nahi chalta.



Baba ek baat boltao.



Nizam Hospital banaye, Paani ka problem solve kare, University banaye.



Unke rule me log khush the, usme tum loga



Hindu / Muslim ke behas laaye, Aurangzeb ke baat laye, Jo dil me aaya bole.



Yeh sob baatao se visinory ka kya taluk ji.



Tum jaise India ko represent karte!! Bade ho miya.



Soncho eise sonch leke, UN me India ko represent kar rahe.



Ek topic pe baat chal rahi hain, aap english ke behas ched rahe hain, Islam la rahe hain. Baba jo baat hain woh karo.



30 - 32 ke ho gaye to koi kamal nahi hain !!!



Ratty pe baithna chodo.



Personal aur abusive language se kay milta.



"G" pe laat marte, Osman ke bahi hain... he he . Grow up .....



INDIA NEEDS MATURE PEOPLE. GET REAL

[CtrlAltDel]

Gaaawwwkkkk...



Raaiiiiyt....













with apologies to Wizzy

[CtrlAltDel]

how many times do i have to state that NIZAM WAS A VISIONARY...nobody disputes that....



y get worked up when we talk of his negative sides....kya sirf bachchon ko sab ka -ve sides dikhta hai kya?

[DQ]

Samajhdar ho!!!

[DQ]

Asli --- > All he did was sit in his Mahal and have VISIONS of free hyderabad. By that virtue he is a VISIONARY. Mungeri lal ke hassen sapne



Is this not disputing ?



The above comment suggests who is getting worked up.!!!



Pls CAD bhaipehle saare comments follow Karo. Phir bolo who is getting worked up

[DQ]

If only you read a wee bit carefully... but then its too much to ask.
Allow me to explain.
Read the first line carefully:

The second part of that line states that Nizam was a puppet government and I followed it up with aurangajebs story. What does that mean? It means that I am talking about the whole Nizam clan rather than the 7th Nizam, your lord, god, idol whateva.

DQ - But still I am no stalwart of history. My knowledge comes from books and live sittings that I had with a lot of people, who had seen the time of the last Nizam (Mir Osman Ali Khan).



The last Nizam would wear a Sherwani with a patch on it, goes on to explain misappropriation of funds?



Even after so much criticism please read http://www.ourmch.com/hyd/hydhistor.asp



Had this statement not explained who I was talking about ????



What is the title of this post, AB hum ???? Goes on to explain what a keen reader you are ?



Maya why dont you learn to read and comprehend!!! Bazook!!

[CtrlAltDel]

The last Nizam would wear a Sherwani with a patch on it, goes on to explain misappropriation of funds?

that indicates he just hoards money...which was a fact. he was a miser....

[DQ]

The last Nizam would wear a Sherwani with a patch on it, goes on to explain misappropriation of funds?

that indicates he just hoards money...which was a fact. he was a miser....

So?

[CtrlAltDel]

The last Nizam would wear a Sherwani with a patch on it, goes on to explain misappropriation of funds?

that indicates he just hoards money...which was a fact. he was a miser....

So?

nothing...



....waiting for u to dispute it...

[DQ]

He Hez,



How come wearing a Payvand ki sherwani (patched), makes a man a miser.



That shows he was not corrupt. It also answers questions that he used to misappropriate funds!!!

[asli_badmash]

DQ saab...



Nizam bhi lajawab hai aur aap bhi lajawab hai...



Hum aapke sab questions ka jawab diye.. aap hamare ek bhi question ka jawab nahin diye. Aap ich padho pura thread... phir aap decide karo.



Meri galati hui.. ki main aise thread mein post kara. Tauba...



Chalo NIZAM is a VISIONARY and you are a VISIONARY too. Dono visions dekhte baitho... hyderabad jal ke khaak ho jaata picche.



Agar app ka behas karne ka tariqa yeh hai.. to please app bahar jaake main hyderabadi hoon bolke maat bolo... Biharion se bhi gaye guzre samajhte hyderabadi ku...



Thats it for this thread...



Allah khair kare aapki aur aap ke Nizam ki... Khuda Hafiz.



~badmash~

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Biharion se bhi gaye guzre samajhte hyderabadi ku...

Oye, bihariyon ka naam kyon badnaam kar raha tu

Kitne bhole bhale log hai bihari.

[DQ]

DQ saab...

Nizam bhi lajawab hai aur aap bhi lajawab hai...

Hum aapke sab questions ka jawab diye.. aap hamare ek bhi question ka jawab nahin diye. Aap ich padho pura thread... phir aap decide karo.

Meri galati hui.. ki main aise thread mein post kara. Tauba...

Chalo NIZAM is a VISIONARY and you are a VISIONARY too. Dono visions dekhte baitho... hyderabad jal ke khaak ho jaata picche.

Agar app ka behas karne ka tariqa yeh hai.. to please app bahar jaake main hyderabadi hoon bolke maat bolo... Biharion se bhi gaye guzre samajhte hyderabadi ku...

Thats it for this thread...

Allah khair kare aapki aur aap ke Nizam ki... Khuda Hafiz.

~badmash~

Phir Asli tum jahan ke wahi hain!!



Kaise samjao, tumhi log ko itne baar quote kara na mai.



You guys kept telling me do not get worked up. Do you know the height of getting worked up is saying...."Thats it this is my last post on this thread..."



All the 3 Mayavi, CAD and Asli have this reputation. Stay calm and cool. Take it easy!!!

[DQ]

The seventh Nizam led a very simple life, yet he was one of the richest men in the world.



He donated generously to every cause in India as well as abroad irrespective of caste and religion.



If it was the Muslim theological school at Deoband which received financial help, it was also the privilege of the Benaras Hindu University. His list of donations included Rabindranth Tagore’s Shantiniketan and several other institutions including hospitals, schools, for famine relief, etc. The golden temple in Amritsar also enjoyed an annual donation.



He was the sole financier in the maintainence of Kaaba too.... Before Oil was found, the arabs used to live on funds from India, specially from erst while Nizam of Hyd (Mir Osman Ali Khan)

[asli_badmash]

The seventh Nizam led a very simple life, yet he was one of the richest men in the world.

You are too much....



~badmash~

[DQ]

The seventh Nizam led a very simple life, yet he was one of the richest men in the world.

You are too much....

~badmash~

Grow up.



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